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HOT WHITE & HOT BLACK - HELP JK 06-28-2006
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Posted by JK on June 28, 2006, 7:03 pm
A pig tail tester shows that I have two hot wires in each of the
outlets in one room. House new 23 years ago and no problems until the
other day. A few days ago plugging iron into outlet cause all on
circuit to loose power. Breaker didn't flip. I replaced breaker and
outlet. Iron works fine in other outlet on other circuit. Twelve
hours or so after loosing power, with breaker on lights returned.
Plugged iron in and lost power again without breaker flipping to off.
2nd test of outlet with pig tail tester again showed two hot wires.
Iron works fine elsewhere. Any thoughts appreciated. Room has
outlets, ceiling fan, and a switch to one of the plugs. I didn't test
the switch. Thanks again.


Posted by RBM on June 28, 2006, 7:29 pm
You have an open neutral, the white wire. It has most likely come loose in a
back stabbed outlet in that room or an adjacent room. Plug in a lamp with
the switch "on" and tap on all the dead outlets and any live outlets in the
vicinity. If you tap on one and the light flickers or comes on, look in that
outlet for loose connections




>A pig tail tester shows that I have two hot wires in each of the
> outlets in one room. House new 23 years ago and no problems until the
> other day. A few days ago plugging iron into outlet cause all on
> circuit to loose power. Breaker didn't flip. I replaced breaker and
> outlet. Iron works fine in other outlet on other circuit. Twelve
> hours or so after loosing power, with breaker on lights returned.
> Plugged iron in and lost power again without breaker flipping to off.
> 2nd test of outlet with pig tail tester again showed two hot wires.
> Iron works fine elsewhere. Any thoughts appreciated. Room has
> outlets, ceiling fan, and a switch to one of the plugs. I didn't test
> the switch. Thanks again.
>



Posted by JK on June 28, 2006, 8:10 pm
Thanks for the response. Would a loose wire cause the neutral to be
hot?
RBM (remove this) wrote:
> You have an open neutral, the white wire. It has most likely come loose in a
> back stabbed outlet in that room or an adjacent room. Plug in a lamp with
> the switch "on" and tap on all the dead outlets and any live outlets in the
> vicinity. If you tap on one and the light flickers or comes on, look in that
> outlet for loose connections
>
>
>
>
> >A pig tail tester shows that I have two hot wires in each of the
> > outlets in one room. House new 23 years ago and no problems until the
> > other day. A few days ago plugging iron into outlet cause all on
> > circuit to loose power. Breaker didn't flip. I replaced breaker and
> > outlet. Iron works fine in other outlet on other circuit. Twelve
> > hours or so after loosing power, with breaker on lights returned.
> > Plugged iron in and lost power again without breaker flipping to off.
> > 2nd test of outlet with pig tail tester again showed two hot wires.
> > Iron works fine elsewhere. Any thoughts appreciated. Room has
> > outlets, ceiling fan, and a switch to one of the plugs. I didn't test
> > the switch. Thanks again.
> >


Posted by RBM on June 28, 2006, 8:35 pm
Yes, it would appear as a hot on both wires, but it is actually a backfed
hot wire from something else on the circuit. If you momentarily bridged a
wire from the white wire to the ground, you would see the lights come back
on. Only do this as a test




> Thanks for the response. Would a loose wire cause the neutral to be
> hot?
> RBM (remove this) wrote:
>> You have an open neutral, the white wire. It has most likely come loose
>> in a
>> back stabbed outlet in that room or an adjacent room. Plug in a lamp with
>> the switch "on" and tap on all the dead outlets and any live outlets in
>> the
>> vicinity. If you tap on one and the light flickers or comes on, look in
>> that
>> outlet for loose connections
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >A pig tail tester shows that I have two hot wires in each of the
>> > outlets in one room. House new 23 years ago and no problems until the
>> > other day. A few days ago plugging iron into outlet cause all on
>> > circuit to loose power. Breaker didn't flip. I replaced breaker and
>> > outlet. Iron works fine in other outlet on other circuit. Twelve
>> > hours or so after loosing power, with breaker on lights returned.
>> > Plugged iron in and lost power again without breaker flipping to off.
>> > 2nd test of outlet with pig tail tester again showed two hot wires.
>> > Iron works fine elsewhere. Any thoughts appreciated. Room has
>> > outlets, ceiling fan, and a switch to one of the plugs. I didn't test
>> > the switch. Thanks again.
>> >
>



Posted by Mark Lloyd on June 28, 2006, 8:13 pm

>A pig tail tester shows that I have two hot wires in each of the
>outlets in one room. House new 23 years ago and no problems until the
>other day. A few days ago plugging iron into outlet cause all on
>circuit to loose power. Breaker didn't flip. I replaced breaker and
>outlet. Iron works fine in other outlet on other circuit. Twelve
>hours or so after loosing power, with breaker on lights returned.
>Plugged iron in and lost power again without breaker flipping to off.
>2nd test of outlet with pig tail tester again showed two hot wires.
>Iron works fine elsewhere. Any thoughts appreciated. Room has
>outlets, ceiling fan, and a switch to one of the plugs. I didn't test
>the switch. Thanks again.

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