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HVAC system Art 06-23-2008
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Posted by Art on June 23, 2008, 8:13 pm

> Art wrote:
>> Just had a tech check out one of my 3 HVAC systems. When the house
>> was built the contractor switched outside units between the upstairs
>> and basement so upstairs was too hot. I had them switch out the
>> obviously wrong sized outside units. I asked them if anything inside
>> had to be switched out and they swore everything was ok inside.
>>
>> Upstairs never cooled well but we were never used upstairs much until
>> now.
>> So I had someone come out today and told him the story. He says the
>> metering unit orifice (piston) is too small upstairs and needs to be
>> replaced with bigger one at a cost of $193 for the part and $533. I
>> just called another guy to come in for a second opinion but I was
>> wondering if the estimate sounds reasonable if indeed this is the
>> problem.
>> Thanks in advance for assistance.
>
> I have a few questions:
> 1. What is the size (Tonnage) of the upstairs and basement condensing
> units?
> 2. What is the size (Tonnage) of the upstairs and basement evaporator
> coils?
> 3. Was the bid to replace the piston only or to replace the total metering
> device?
>
> --
> Moe Jones
> http://www.MoeJones.info
>

I have another tech coming tomorrow. Unfortunately I don't have the
expertise to interpret the labels on the Carrier outdoor units. The one
thing I did notice is Piston ID 57 on the larger unit label and Piston ID 52
on the smaller unit's label. The part his receipt says I need is a #57
Piston. I asked him if the units are mismatched shouldn't we switch out
both pistons but he said an extra large one in the smaller unit wasn't a
problem.

When the next tech arrives tomorrow I will try to get the tonage of the
condensing and evaporator units in both locations.



Posted by Moe Jones on June 23, 2008, 9:08 pm
Art wrote:
>> Art wrote:
>>> Just had a tech check out one of my 3 HVAC systems. When the house
>>> was built the contractor switched outside units between the upstairs
>>> and basement so upstairs was too hot. I had them switch out the
>>> obviously wrong sized outside units. I asked them if anything
>>> inside had to be switched out and they swore everything was ok
>>> inside. Upstairs never cooled well but we were never used upstairs much
>>> until now.
>>> So I had someone come out today and told him the story. He says the
>>> metering unit orifice (piston) is too small upstairs and needs to be
>>> replaced with bigger one at a cost of $193 for the part and $533. I
>>> just called another guy to come in for a second opinion but I was
>>> wondering if the estimate sounds reasonable if indeed this is the
>>> problem.
>>> Thanks in advance for assistance.
>>
>> I have a few questions:
>> 1. What is the size (Tonnage) of the upstairs and basement condensing
>> units?
>> 2. What is the size (Tonnage) of the upstairs and basement evaporator
>> coils?
>> 3. Was the bid to replace the piston only or to replace the total
>> metering device?
>>
>> --
>> Moe Jones
>> http://www.MoeJones.info
>>
>
> I have another tech coming tomorrow. Unfortunately I don't have the
> expertise to interpret the labels on the Carrier outdoor units. The
> one thing I did notice is Piston ID 57 on the larger unit label and
> Piston ID 52 on the smaller unit's label. The part his receipt says
> I need is a #57 Piston. I asked him if the units are mismatched
> shouldn't we switch out both pistons but he said an extra large one
> in the smaller unit wasn't a problem.
>
> When the next tech arrives tomorrow I will try to get the tonage of
> the condensing and evaporator units in both locations.

When you get the model numbers from the condensing unit and the evaporator
coil or you have to do is contact your Carrier dealer and they should be
able to tell you what Carrier recommends what size piston you would need for
each system.
To replace a piston all you have to do is pump down the system, if you can,
then open up the connection at the inlet of the coil then drop the existing
piston out and install the new one and then close up the system them put a
small vacuum on the line set then open the line set then top off if needed.
--
Moe Jones
http://www.MoeJones.info



Posted by Art on June 24, 2008, 3:36 pm
> Art wrote:
>> Just had a tech check out one of my 3 HVAC systems. When the house
>> was built the contractor switched outside units between the upstairs
>> and basement so upstairs was too hot. I had them switch out the
>> obviously wrong sized outside units. I asked them if anything inside
>> had to be switched out and they swore everything was ok inside.
>>
>> Upstairs never cooled well but we were never used upstairs much until
>> now.
>> So I had someone come out today and told him the story. He says the
>> metering unit orifice (piston) is too small upstairs and needs to be
>> replaced with bigger one at a cost of $193 for the part and $533. I
>> just called another guy to come in for a second opinion but I was
>> wondering if the estimate sounds reasonable if indeed this is the
>> problem.
>> Thanks in advance for assistance.
>
> I have a few questions:
> 1. What is the size (Tonnage) of the upstairs and basement condensing
> units?
> 2. What is the size (Tonnage) of the upstairs and basement evaporator
> coils?
> 3. Was the bid to replace the piston only or to replace the total metering
> device?
>
> --
> Moe Jones
> http://www.MoeJones.info
>
>
>

I got some answers. Both inside units are idenditcal 2 ton units. Basement
outside unit is 1.5 tons. Upstairs outside unit is 2 tons. According to
the tech that was here today, it was common when my house was built 10 years
ago to use an oversized inside unit to squeeze more efficiency out of the
system on the small tonage outside unit.

He washed outside coils and checked freon on all 3 systems. Basement was
slightly low. Upstairs was way low, taking about 3 pounds of freon. None
of these systems have been checked for8 years because the guy I had come in
to check them when the house was 2 years old did nothing so I pretty much
gave up on HVAC contractors. Plus we hadn't been using the upstairs much
until this summer.

The technician today's philosophy is (and I am sure many will disagree) is
the first time he adds freon to a system that hasn't been serviced for such
a long time, he will not try chasing down the leak because he probably won't
be able to find it unless it just started leaking. He says if it warms up
again upstairs, he will chase down the leak but he suspects it is the inside
coil and he says carrier charges so much for that inside coil that I might
be better off replacing the outside unit too.

Right now things are plenty cool in the house.



Posted by Moe Jones on June 24, 2008, 7:32 pm
Art wrote:
>> Art wrote:
>>> Just had a tech check out one of my 3 HVAC systems. When the house
>>> was built the contractor switched outside units between the upstairs
>>> and basement so upstairs was too hot. I had them switch out the
>>> obviously wrong sized outside units. I asked them if anything
>>> inside had to be switched out and they swore everything was ok
>>> inside. Upstairs never cooled well but we were never used upstairs much
>>> until now.
>>> So I had someone come out today and told him the story. He says the
>>> metering unit orifice (piston) is too small upstairs and needs to be
>>> replaced with bigger one at a cost of $193 for the part and $533. I
>>> just called another guy to come in for a second opinion but I was
>>> wondering if the estimate sounds reasonable if indeed this is the
>>> problem.
>>> Thanks in advance for assistance.
>>
>> I have a few questions:
>> 1. What is the size (Tonnage) of the upstairs and basement condensing
>> units?
>> 2. What is the size (Tonnage) of the upstairs and basement evaporator
>> coils?
>> 3. Was the bid to replace the piston only or to replace the total
>> metering device?
>>
>> --
>> Moe Jones
>> http://www.MoeJones.info
>>
>>
>>
>
> I got some answers. Both inside units are idenditcal 2 ton units.
> Basement outside unit is 1.5 tons. Upstairs outside unit is 2 tons.
> According to the tech that was here today, it was common when my
> house was built 10 years ago to use an oversized inside unit to
> squeeze more efficiency out of the system on the small tonage outside
> unit.
> He washed outside coils and checked freon on all 3 systems. Basement
> was slightly low. Upstairs was way low, taking about 3 pounds of
> freon. None of these systems have been checked for8 years because
> the guy I had come in to check them when the house was 2 years old
> did nothing so I pretty much gave up on HVAC contractors. Plus we
> hadn't been using the upstairs much until this summer.
>
> The technician today's philosophy is (and I am sure many will
> disagree) is the first time he adds freon to a system that hasn't
> been serviced for such a long time, he will not try chasing down the
> leak because he probably won't be able to find it unless it just
> started leaking. He says if it warms up again upstairs, he will
> chase down the leak but he suspects it is the inside coil and he says
> carrier charges so much for that inside coil that I might be better
> off replacing the outside unit too.
> Right now things are plenty cool in the house.

He's right.
--
Moe Jones
http://www.MoeJones.info



Posted by Red Green on June 24, 2008, 9:24 pm

>> Art wrote:
>>> Just had a tech check out one of my 3 HVAC systems. When the house
>>> was built the contractor switched outside units between the upstairs
>>> and basement so upstairs was too hot. I had them switch out the
>>> obviously wrong sized outside units. I asked them if anything
>>> inside had to be switched out and they swore everything was ok
>>> inside.
>>>
>>> Upstairs never cooled well but we were never used upstairs much
>>> until now.
>>> So I had someone come out today and told him the story. He says the
>>> metering unit orifice (piston) is too small upstairs and needs to be
>>> replaced with bigger one at a cost of $193 for the part and $533. I
>>> just called another guy to come in for a second opinion but I was
>>> wondering if the estimate sounds reasonable if indeed this is the
>>> problem.
>>> Thanks in advance for assistance.
>>
>> I have a few questions:
>> 1. What is the size (Tonnage) of the upstairs and basement condensing
>> units?
>> 2. What is the size (Tonnage) of the upstairs and basement evaporator
>> coils?
>> 3. Was the bid to replace the piston only or to replace the total
>> metering device?
>>
>> --
>> Moe Jones
>> http://www.MoeJones.info
>>
>>
>>
>
> I got some answers. Both inside units are idenditcal 2 ton units.
> Basement outside unit is 1.5 tons. Upstairs outside unit is 2 tons.
> According to the tech that was here today, it was common when my house
> was built 10 years ago to use an oversized inside unit to squeeze more
> efficiency out of the system on the small tonage outside unit.
>
> He washed outside coils and checked freon on all 3 systems. Basement
> was slightly low. Upstairs was way low, taking about 3 pounds of
> freon. None of these systems have been checked for8 years because the
> guy I had come in to check them when the house was 2 years old did
> nothing so I pretty much gave up on HVAC contractors. Plus we hadn't
> been using the upstairs much until this summer.
>
> The technician today's philosophy is (and I am sure many will
> disagree) is the first time he adds freon to a system that hasn't been
> serviced for such a long time, he will not try chasing down the leak
> because he probably won't be able to find it unless it just started
> leaking. He says if it warms up again upstairs, he will chase down
> the leak but he suspects it is the inside coil and he says carrier
> charges so much for that inside coil that I might be better off
> replacing the outside unit too.
>
> Right now things are plenty cool in the house.
>
>


> he says carrier
> charges so much for that inside coil

There was an old Carrier on one house I had that had coil problems. HVAC
guy said the cost of just the coil alone was about the installed cost,
parts & labor, of another brand.

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