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Habeas Corpus is no longer Stormin Mormon 10-19-2006
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Posted by Stormin Mormon on October 19, 2006, 7:12 pm

> After the last one had me going, I can't wait to see how this one
> transpires..
> Searcher
>
The last one In retrospect dumping the salt OUT OF the bags into wheel
barrow ( clean) spreading around the pool with shovel might of been a better
idea, to bad I didn't think of that.



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Posted by Toller on October 19, 2006, 7:38 pm


> ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
> America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization
>
And I thought "Jews for Jesus" was peculiar.



Posted by JoeSpareBedroom on October 19, 2006, 9:58 pm


>> ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
>> America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization
>>
> And I thought "Jews for Jesus" was peculiar.
>

Actually, this organization makes the NRA look like a bunch of pussies. I
like it.



Posted by HeyBub on October 19, 2006, 10:49 pm


Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Is it time for the UN to come in and liberate us?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:41 PM
> Subject: JPFO ALERT: R.I.P. Habeas Corpus
>
>
> ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
> America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization
>
> October 19, 2006
>
> JPFO ALERT: R.I.P. Habeas Corpus
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, another nail was pounded
> into freedom's coffin when President Bush signed the
> Military Commissions Act into law. Within the Act, the
> 800-year tradition of Habeas Corpus -- the right of the
> accused to face their accuser in court -- was essentially
> eliminated.
>

First, habeas corpus is used almost always in criminal complaints.
Terrorists, POWs, and unlawful enemy combatants (spys, saboteurs, guerillas,
etc.) are not criminals and have never had the protections afforded in the
Bill of Rights (trial by jury, legal counsel, etc.). It's not an 800-year
old tradition. Habeas Corpus has NEVER been afforded those captured in time
of war.

Second, the president's Article II powers trumph almost any other
constitutional provisions. The courts have, for 230 years, unanimously said
so.

Third, the Supreme Court tried to interpose itself in the situation. The
Congress said: 1) We are going to set up, by law, the exact same military
commissions the president originally proposed and 2) We are removing the
whole business from review by the judiciary. This means that the military
tribunals are OUTSIDE the jurisdiction of the courts. Never again can the
Supreme Court meddle with military tribunals. The court was not only
rebuked, it was slapped down hard.

Interestingly, there were over 300,000 POWs incarcerated in 541 camps in the
US during WW2. NOT ONE of them had access to our courts, via habeas or
otherwise. ALL were handled by the military.

The first military tribunal was conducted by George Washington when Maj Gen
Andre was tried as a spy - by a military commission. Andre was hanged within
ten days of being caught behind our lines in disguise.



Posted by JoeSpareBedroom on October 20, 2006, 6:03 am


> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> Is it time for the UN to come in and liberate us?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:41 PM
>> Subject: JPFO ALERT: R.I.P. Habeas Corpus
>>
>>
>> ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
>> America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization
>>
>> October 19, 2006
>>
>> JPFO ALERT: R.I.P. Habeas Corpus
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, another nail was pounded
>> into freedom's coffin when President Bush signed the
>> Military Commissions Act into law. Within the Act, the
>> 800-year tradition of Habeas Corpus -- the right of the
>> accused to face their accuser in court -- was essentially
>> eliminated.
>>
>
> First, habeas corpus is used almost always in criminal complaints.
> Terrorists, POWs, and unlawful enemy combatants (spys, saboteurs,
> guerillas, etc.) are not criminals and have never had the protections
> afforded in the Bill of Rights (trial by jury, legal counsel, etc.). It's
> not an 800-year old tradition. Habeas Corpus has NEVER been afforded those
> captured in time of war.
>
> Second, the president's Article II powers trumph almost any other
> constitutional provisions. The courts have, for 230 years, unanimously
> said so.
>
> Third, the Supreme Court tried to interpose itself in the situation. The
> Congress said: 1) We are going to set up, by law, the exact same military
> commissions the president originally proposed and 2) We are removing the
> whole business from review by the judiciary. This means that the military
> tribunals are OUTSIDE the jurisdiction of the courts. Never again can the
> Supreme Court meddle with military tribunals. The court was not only
> rebuked, it was slapped down hard.
>
> Interestingly, there were over 300,000 POWs incarcerated in 541 camps in
> the US during WW2. NOT ONE of them had access to our courts, via habeas or
> otherwise. ALL were handled by the military.
>
> The first military tribunal was conducted by George Washington when Maj
> Gen Andre was tried as a spy - by a military commission. Andre was hanged
> within ten days of being caught behind our lines in disguise.

This system *might* work fairly, assuming the military was not contaminated
at the moment. You might do well to do some reading about the military's
condition at the end of Eisenhower's term.



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