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Hardwater accumulations in dishwasher beyond repair? nonsense 09-22-2008
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Posted by on September 22, 2008, 12:05 pm


I had posted earlier about a dishwasher that was leaving cloudy
residue in everything. Plus it was not cleaning properly either. The
excellent replies said to clean it out with vinegar. So I tried
several applications of vinegar and stronger citric acids and baking
soda to no avail. Here are some pictures that show the problem. The
glass on the left was dried in dish rack while the one in the right is
from the dishwasher.

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Could it be the hardwater deposits have accumulated so much that they
are beyond repair? The dishwasher was only used for a year ( it is
rental property ). What is confusing is if there is hard water
problem , then how did the glass that was dried outside have no spots
on it? I recall the property used to have very hard water, but could
it be now it doesn't? Does city water change with time?

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Posted by Kenneth on September 22, 2008, 12:16 pm


On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:05:41 -0700 (PDT),
nonsense@mynonsense.net wrote:

>I had posted earlier about a dishwasher that was leaving cloudy
>residue in everything. Plus it was not cleaning properly either. The
>excellent replies said to clean it out with vinegar. So I tried
>several applications of vinegar and stronger citric acids and baking
>soda to no avail. Here are some pictures that show the problem. The
>glass on the left was dried in dish rack while the one in the right is
>from the dishwasher.
>
>http://www.mynonsense.net/temp/
>
>Could it be the hardwater deposits have accumulated so much that they
>are beyond repair? The dishwasher was only used for a year ( it is
>rental property ). What is confusing is if there is hard water
>problem , then how did the glass that was dried outside have no spots
>on it? I recall the property used to have very hard water, but could
>it be now it doesn't? Does city water change with time?

Howdy,

I would suggest a different approach...

What sort of DW detergent are you using?

Is it a powder, a gel, something else?

Do you measure it out, or is it pre-measured?

I ask because you may be looking at residue from the
detergent.

Particularly if you are not doing full loads, I would
suggest that you cut back on the amount of detergent you are
using. You also might want to experiment with other brands.

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

Posted by on September 22, 2008, 12:33 pm


wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:05:41 -0700 (PDT),

> Howdy,
>
> I would suggest a different approach...
>
> What sort of DW detergent are you using?
>
> Is it a powder, a gel, something else?
>
> Do you measure it out, or is it pre-measured?

We tried lemi-shine and gel. For the picture of the cloudy glass I
used the gel to fill the cup and put vinegar in the rinse. The
dishwasher only had a few glasses in it, so probably there was too
much detergent for the quantity of dishes. But should that matter
much?
> I ask because you may be looking at residue from the
> detergent.
>
> Particularly if you are not doing full loads, I would
> suggest that you cut back on the amount of detergent you are
> using. You also might want to experiment with other brands.
>
> All the best,
> --
> Kenneth
>
> If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."


Posted by Kenneth on September 22, 2008, 2:45 pm


On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:33:06 -0700 (PDT),
nonsense@mynonsense.net wrote:

>We tried lemi-shine and gel. For the picture of the cloudy glass I
>used the gel to fill the cup and put vinegar in the rinse. The
>dishwasher only had a few glasses in it, so probably there was too
>much detergent for the quantity of dishes. But should that matter
>much?

Hello again,

Yes, it might...

My understanding is that the "blue haze" sort of problem is
often due to using too much detergent too frequently. It
etches the surface of the glass producing the haze.

My guess is that you have no mineral problem...

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

Posted by SteveBell on September 22, 2008, 12:35 pm


nonsense@mynonsense.net wrote:

> I had posted earlier about a dishwasher that was leaving cloudy
> residue in everything. Plus it was not cleaning properly either. The
> excellent replies said to clean it out with vinegar. So I tried
> several applications of vinegar and stronger citric acids and baking
> soda to no avail. Here are some pictures that show the problem. The
> glass on the left was dried in dish rack while the one in the right is
> from the dishwasher.
>
> http://www.mynonsense.net/temp/
>
> Could it be the hardwater deposits have accumulated so much that they
> are beyond repair? The dishwasher was only used for a year ( it is
> rental property ). What is confusing is if there is hard water
> problem , then how did the glass that was dried outside have no spots
> on it? I recall the property used to have very hard water, but could
> it be now it doesn't? Does city water change with time?

Have you tried using more dishwasher detergent? A large part of what's
in there is stuff to counteract hard water. It could be as simple as a
ton of table salt. I used to put in just a little detergent when I only
had a few dishes, and they came out cloudier than if I used a full
dose. Be sure to fill both cups.

I just noticed in your photos that you're using a liquid detergent. Try
switching to a powered one. I use Electrosol--it's the cheapest 'round
here, and it works.

You might also try just adding a few tablespoons of salt to the wash as
an experiment.

--
Steve Bell
New Life Home Improvement
Arlington, TX

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