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Having trouble soldering copper pipe eselk 10-23-2007
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Posted by adrian@cam.cornell.edu on October 24, 2007, 12:35 pm

> elbow is on the supply side of that faucet). The more I think about
> it, it sure seems like it could be air, because the solder often looks
> like lava rock, instead of a nice smooth finish. I probably should
> have mentioned that earlier, but it doesn't always look that way, just
> on some of my attempts, but now I'm thinking even on the attempts
> where I got the visible part smooth, there could still be rough parts
> that I can't see (i.e.-lines/bubbles where the air is trying to pass).

My own experience is that I got a rough "lava rock" type look to the
solder when I had insufficient heat. My first soldering attempts were
made with a 6" long butane torch and it took about 5 minutes to heat
the joint sufficiently. Then after I dropped a pipe wrench on my
torch I couldn't get a decent looking joint at all. The solder would
tend to kind of glob on.

I got a new mapp gas torch and it made a huge difference, only about
30 seconds to heat the joint sufficiently and the solder would wick
right in. I noticed that you said in an earlier message that you
remove the heat when you start applying the solder. This could allow
the temperature of the copper pipes to fall and lead to the rough
finish you're observing. (Copper is an excellent conductor of heat so
if you remove the torch I'd expect the temperature to fall fairly
quickly as the heat spreads out down the pipe.) I continue to apply
heat towards the inside of the joint until the solder wicks.



Posted by Mike S. on October 26, 2007, 9:47 am
Wait till you try it with a nice acetylene/air turbo torch, with the BIG tip
on it. Takes about 5 seconds to heat up a 3/4 pipe joint to soldering temp,
in 30 seconds the pipe melt!


--

Mike S.

>
> I got a new mapp gas torch and it made a huge difference, only about
> 30 seconds to heat the joint sufficiently and the solder would wick
> right in.



Posted by DerbyDad03 on October 23, 2007, 7:35 pm
> On Oct 23, 11:13 am, es...@surfbest.net wrote:
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> > I'm redoing my shower, all 1/2" copper pipes. I've done two couplers,
> > 1 elbow, and 3 threaded connectors... and they all went fine. Just
> > one other elbow had a small leak. I tried at least 10 times last
> > night and continue to have leaks. Maybe I just need to try again
> > tonight with a fresh mind, but...
>
> > One problem I've got now is that the two ends going in to the elbow
> > have solder on them. I've sanded them until smooth (they are still
> > solder color, but smooth, is that okay?) and used a new elbow, and did
> > that a couple times last night, but still no go. Is it okay to sand
> > off the old solder and keep trying this way, or do I really need to
> > start with all new pipe? It is easy to keep using new elbows, I've
> > got plenty to spare... but I can't really cut back the pipe, not
> > without adding yet another fitting (another coupler) which just seems
> > like even more work, and eventually I'll have it cut back to the slab
> > and not be able to continue.
>
> > The elbow fits well, nice and tight, just like all the others I did,
> > so I have no idea why this one connection is giving me so much
> > trouble. I did only do one other elbow though, so maybe I just got
> > lucky on that elbow. Is there anything special you need to do when
> > doing elbows? I've tried doing one end at a time, and also tried
> > heating in the middle of the elbow and running the solder around both
> > ends, one right after the other (while still hot, so they both cool/
> > harden at the same time).
>
> > I've read a lot about soldering... but, how long do you need to wait
> > before testing? The pipe seems to cool pretty fast, so I've been
> > testing within 2 to 5 minutes, is that not long enough? I kind of
> > wish I could find an elbow with about 6" of pipe on each end, so I
> > wouldn't have to worry about messing up one end while working on the
> > other.
>
> Gee it sounds like what you are doing is right, and the responses have
> been good. One more dumb question: while you are soldering, one end
> of the pipe is open to the air, right? (So pressure doesn't build up
> inside) -- H- Hide quoted text -
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-- one end of the pipe is open to the air, right?

I was soldering a cap onto a pipe and I took a little too long to
apply the solder. The cap shot across the basement and melted the rug
where it landed.


Posted by Stormin Mormon on October 24, 2007, 5:03 pm
Years later, that's funny. But not at the instant it happens.

--

Christopher A. Young
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I was soldering a cap onto a pipe and I took a little too long to
apply the solder. The cap shot across the basement and melted the rug
where it landed.



Posted by HeyBub on October 23, 2007, 5:30 pm
eselk@surfbest.net wrote:
> I'm redoing my shower, all 1/2" copper pipes. I've done two couplers,
> 1 elbow, and 3 threaded connectors... and they all went fine. Just
> one other elbow had a small leak. I tried at least 10 times last
> night and continue to have leaks. Maybe I just need to try again
> tonight with a fresh mind, but...

Screw it. Get a flexible, compression connection.



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