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Heat pump in basement? rgoldste@gmail.com 07-02-2008
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Posted by on July 3, 2008, 6:55 pm
On Jul 3, 4:43=A0pm, nicksans...@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> >nicksans...@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> >> >rgold...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> >>> Far too small a volume--you'd heat or cool the basement faster tha=
n the
> >> >>> rest of the house...
>
> >> That's irrelevant, since the heat would come from the ground.
>
> >> >>> In that environment, your best bet is ground source of one kind or
> >> >>> another. =3DA0They're great--had one (Water Furnace brand, one of =
the best).
>
> >> Nick
>
> > ... even without insulation the surface area of the basement is not lar=
ge
> > =A0enough to move enough heat.
>
> Looks like you didn't read the part of my posting you snipped.
>
> Nick- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -


Sorry it still will not work. The efficiency will drop to almost
nothing. You don't have enough exchange area.


Posted by dpb on July 3, 2008, 7:53 am
nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
...

>> It simply can not work...
>
> Balderdash :-)


As proposed as an air-exchange unit w/ the basement volume, no way...

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Posted by on July 3, 2008, 7:18 am
>
> > rgold...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > I live in the upper Hudson River Valley(Albany, NY). The temperature
> > > in the winter hovers around 25 degrees for about 2 months. My full
> > > basement stays around 55 degrees. I know that it is considered very
> > > impractical to install it outside. What are the pros and cons of
> > > installing an air source heat pump in the basement? The relative mild
> > > temperature there should allow for very efficient heating.
>
> > Far too small a volume--you'd heat or cool the basement faster than the
> > rest of the house. =A0Not feasible at all.
>
> > In that environment, your best bet is ground source of one kind or
> > another. =A0They're great--had one (Water Furnace brand, one of the best=
).
>
> > --
>
> I am not sure what you mean by small volume. The basement is 1400
> square feet, 8 feet high and the floor is 6 feet below grade. Are you
> implying that the basement would cool so much that the heat pump would
> not work efficiently?
> Richard

That space will warm up as you cool the living area (cool down as
you heat the living area). That means it shortly will become very hot
or cold and will not allow the heat pump to function efficiently.

Your idea is a good one however. It is possible to put long pipes
into the ground and to move air through them to supply the heat pump.
Those pipes need to be about six foot below grade and you need a lot.
Local conditions will determine if the idea will work for you. I
have seen several people around me use that system.

Posted by franz fripplfrappl on July 2, 2008, 11:20 pm
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:32:44 -0700, rgoldste@gmail.com wrote:

> I live in the upper Hudson River Valley(Albany, NY). The temperature in
> the winter hovers around 25 degrees for about 2 months. My full basement
> stays around 55 degrees. I know that it is considered very impractical
> to install it outside. What are the pros and cons of installing an air
> source heat pump in the basement? The relative mild temperature there
> should allow for very efficient heating. Richard

At one time I had a Thermastor heat pump water heater in the basement.
It worked quite well to heat the water. Not only did it dehumidify the
basement efficiently, it also turned it into a walk-in cooler.

Basement temp ended up around 55F.



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Franz Fripplfrappl

Posted by S. Barker on July 3, 2008, 1:39 am
it wouldn't take long for the heat pump to remove all the heat from the
basement, then you'd have 32 degree floors and frozen plumbing.

s

>I live in the upper Hudson River Valley(Albany, NY). The temperature
> in the winter hovers around 25 degrees for about 2 months. My full
> basement stays around 55 degrees. I know that it is considered very
> impractical to install it outside. What are the pros and cons of
> installing an air source heat pump in the basement? The relative mild
> temperature there should allow for very efficient heating.
> Richard



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