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Heat water with a window AC? nicksanspam 07-20-2006
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Posted by on July 20, 2006, 9:35 pm
wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:48:16 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>wrote:
>
>
>>        Because I've installed and serviced more heat pump water
>>heaters than you've ever read about on the Internet.
>
>So has anyone made one yet that works and is reliable? I bought into a
>York HPWH around 1988. It didn't live very long. Maybe some big
>advance since then?
>
>
The pre-cooler on my friends pipeline dairy cooler worked VERY well,
cooling the milk as it entered the tank and providing ALL the hot
water required for cleaning up the dairy and pipeline when milking
finished.

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Posted by Claude on July 21, 2006, 3:38 pm
clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:48:16 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>         Because I've installed and serviced more heat pump water
>>> heaters than you've ever read about on the Internet.
>> So has anyone made one yet that works and is reliable? I bought into a
>> York HPWH around 1988. It didn't live very long. Maybe some big
>> advance since then?
>>
>>
> The pre-cooler on my friends pipeline dairy cooler worked VERY well,
> cooling the milk as it entered the tank and providing ALL the hot
> water required for cleaning up the dairy and pipeline when milking
> finished.
>

Why not build thousands of nuclear power plants and make your home total
electric including heating.

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Claude Hopper

Posted by yaofeng on July 20, 2006, 9:19 pm

nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> I'm still thinking about heating water with 1/3 the usual energy using a Haier
> 5K Btu/h window AC ($84 at Wal-Mart.) The pipes connect to the condenser coil
> at the top, so we could build a thin aquarium around it with no replumbing or
> recharging and pump 1.5 gpm of 110 F water out through a $168 Doucette SB1-20
> 400 Btu/h-F plate heat exchanger with a 110 F thermostat and pump 60 F cold
> water into the other side of the heat exchanger from a cold kitchen tap and
> back into the hot tap, and dump some hot water from the hot tap into the sink
> with a solenoid valve if the cold tap ever reaches say, 100 F, when/if the
> tank water heater completely fills. Heating 50 gallons of 60 F water to 110
> takes about 21K Btu, and the AC would make about 5000(1+1/3) = 6700 Btu/h,
> so we might fill the tank in 3 hours, with no hot water use.
>
> When I blocked the Haier AC condenser airflow to make the exit temp 110 F,
> its cool air temp and power use (from a Kill-a-Watt) barely changed.
>
> This could be more efficient than a typical "portable air conditioner" with
> air hoses. Removing the condenser fan blade might also raise the COP.
>
> Nick

I have a better idea. Cool your house from the coming winter cold or
the past one.


Posted by Rich256 on July 21, 2006, 10:57 pm
yaofeng wrote:
> nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>> I'm still thinking about heating water with 1/3 the usual energy using a Haier
>> 5K Btu/h window AC ($84 at Wal-Mart.) The pipes connect to the condenser coil
>> at the top, so we could build a thin aquarium around it with no replumbing or
>> recharging and pump 1.5 gpm of 110 F water out through a $168 Doucette SB1-20
>> 400 Btu/h-F plate heat exchanger with a 110 F thermostat and pump 60 F cold
>> water into the other side of the heat exchanger from a cold kitchen tap and
>> back into the hot tap, and dump some hot water from the hot tap into the sink
>> with a solenoid valve if the cold tap ever reaches say, 100 F, when/if the
>> tank water heater completely fills. Heating 50 gallons of 60 F water to 110
>> takes about 21K Btu, and the AC would make about 5000(1+1/3) = 6700 Btu/h,
>> so we might fill the tank in 3 hours, with no hot water use.
>>
>> When I blocked the Haier AC condenser airflow to make the exit temp 110 F,
>> its cool air temp and power use (from a Kill-a-Watt) barely changed.
>>
>> This could be more efficient than a typical "portable air conditioner" with
>> air hoses. Removing the condenser fan blade might also raise the COP.
>>
>> Nick
>
> I have a better idea. Cool your house from the coming winter cold or
> the past one.
>

There are places that do almost that. The very first shopping center
in the world was in Minneapolis. They stored the heat from the summer
in a natural underground pool of water. Then they used that heat during
the winter to heat the building. They didn't need all the heat that ws
stored so it got to where they had to do additional cooling during the
winter.

As for using an AC to heat water. Why? If you need air conditioning
there is more than adequate solar heat for water. Heating water will
only degrade the operation of the refrigerant. And the water will not
be warm enough for any practical use. We already have problems with a
surplus of warm water. Nuclear Power plants for example.

If water is used for cooling a large supply of cold water is needed.

A building in the San Fernando Valley used a large pool with fountains
to cool their refrigerant. The water started to get too warm so they
raised the nozzles on the fountains a couple feet to get more
evaporation and cooling.

Posted by News on July 21, 2006, 10:42 am


> I'm still thinking about heating water with 1/3 the usual energy using a
> Haier
> 5K Btu/h window AC ($84 at Wal-Mart.) The pipes connect to the condenser
> coil
> at the top, so we could build a thin aquarium around it with no replumbing
> or
> recharging and pump 1.5 gpm of 110 F water out through a $168 Doucette
> SB1-20
> 400 Btu/h-F plate heat exchanger with a 110 F thermostat and pump 60 F
> cold
> water into the other side of the heat exchanger from a cold kitchen tap
> and
> back into the hot tap, and dump some hot water from the hot tap into the
> sink
> with a solenoid valve if the cold tap ever reaches say, 100 F, when/if the
> tank water heater completely fills. Heating 50 gallons of 60 F water to
> 110
> takes about 21K Btu, and the AC would make about 5000(1+1/3) = 6700 Btu/h,
> so we might fill the tank in 3 hours, with no hot water use.

Nick, can you explain a little more here. Are you saying pump from a hot
water tank the cooler water at the bottom through plate heat exchanger and
into the top of the hot water tank? A loop through the hot water tank?





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