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Home Insulation Projects mark.wolven 09-18-2007
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Posted by on September 18, 2007, 11:58 am
Thinking about the coming Northern Virginia winter and life in a 40+
year old house.

The attic has old fiberglass insulation between the rafters. Some of
it has settled in spots and it looks dried out and brittle if that
makes sense. If that doesn't make sense - well, it still looks dried
out and brittle to me....

Question 1: Would I get good bang for my buck by rolling out a new
layer of R-13 over the old insulation - but at a 90 degree angle?

Question 2: Would a vapor barrier make sense in the attic? Would it be
most effective under the insulation? Over the insulation? Or against
the roof?

Question 3: I have a gas burning furnace in the basement. The furnace
is in a room with the washer and dryer and in the winter, that room
gets pretty warm. The vent pipe exiting the furnace gets plenty hot.
Would insulating that pipe help keep the rest of the house warmer?


Posted by ransley on September 18, 2007, 5:31 pm
On Sep 18, 10:58 am, mark.wol...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thinking about the coming Northern Virginia winter and life in a 40+
> year old house.
>
> The attic has old fiberglass insulation between the rafters. Some of
> it has settled in spots and it looks dried out and brittle if that
> makes sense. If that doesn't make sense - well, it still looks dried
> out and brittle to me....
>
> Question 1: Would I get good bang for my buck by rolling out a new
> layer of R-13 over the old insulation - but at a 90 degree angle?
>
> Question 2: Would a vapor barrier make sense in the attic? Would it be
> most effective under the insulation? Over the insulation? Or against
> the roof?
>
> Question 3: I have a gas burning furnace in the basement. The furnace
> is in a room with the washer and dryer and in the winter, that room
> gets pretty warm. The vent pipe exiting the furnace gets plenty hot.
> Would insulating that pipe help keep the rest of the house warmer?

Check recomended R values for your area at www.energystar.gov the
attic is the cheapest place for most to add insulation, most heat loss
rises. I would bet recommended is R35+. just go over what you have the
vapor barrier should be flt against the ceiling. If you mean the
venting pipes that circulate heated air it could help if the basement
walls are insulated


Posted by Joseph Meehan on September 18, 2007, 8:13 pm
> Thinking about the coming Northern Virginia winter and life in a 40+
> year old house.
>
> The attic has old fiberglass insulation between the rafters. Some of
> it has settled in spots and it looks dried out and brittle if that
> makes sense. If that doesn't make sense - well, it still looks dried
> out and brittle to me....
>
> Question 1: Would I get good bang for my buck by rolling out a new
> layer of R-13 over the old insulation - but at a 90 degree angle?

Any additional insulation is good.
>
> Question 2: Would a vapor barrier make sense in the attic? Would it be
> most effective under the insulation? Over the insulation? Or against
> the roof?

Any vapor barrier should be on the warm side, that usually means next to
the ceiling below, which would be under the existing insulation. Is there
one under that insulation. If so leave it there. Don't choose insulation
with an attached vapor barrier when you are adding insulation.

>
> Question 3: I have a gas burning furnace in the basement. The furnace
> is in a room with the washer and dryer and in the winter, that room
> gets pretty warm. The vent pipe exiting the furnace gets plenty hot.
> Would insulating that pipe help keep the rest of the house warmer?


If you mean the exhaust pipe, then no do not insulate it. If you mean
the ducts supplying warm air to the rest of the house, yes go ahead and add
some insulation, but don't expect much. Since heat rises most of that heat
that is now in your basement finds its way up to the living areas.
Insulating the ducts would increase this some and reduce the temperature of
the basement.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit




Posted by Buck Turgidson on September 18, 2007, 8:42 pm
>
> Question 2: Would a vapor barrier make sense in the attic? Would it be
> most effective under the insulation? Over the insulation? Or against
> the roof?

I also have a similar house in Northern Virginia. My attic has a layer of
tar paper laying on the ceiling drywall which serves as a vapor barrier.
You might check to see if you have that.

If you don't have it, it needs to be on the heated side of the house, i.e.
under the insulation.



Posted by Calvin Henry-Cotnam on September 19, 2007, 7:50 am
Buck Turgidson (jc_va@hotmail.com) said...
[about vapor barrier]
>
>If you don't have it, it needs to be on the heated side of the house, i.e.
>under the insulation.

It needs to be on the warm side of the dewpoint. If you were to move
through the insulation from the warm side to the cold, the temperature
in the insulation drops. At some point between the two sides, the
temperature is cool enough that moisture in the warm air would condense
(and form dew). That is the dewpoint.

Ideally, that means on the warm side of the insulation, which can be done
if it were new construction or if you remove what is there.

However, if there is only about R13 there now and you were going to add
another R22 to bring it up to R35, it may be possible to place a vapor
barrier between the existing and new insulation. This would require some
research looking into the temperature extremes in your area, though a
good rule of thumb is that the vapor barrier should be no more than one
third the way between the warm and cold (1/3 maximum of the total
thickness between the warm side and the barrier - R13 of R35 exceeds this
slightly, but R13 of R40 falls within 1/3).

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