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How do I make a storm door close when the window (not screen) is on it? trader-of-some-jacks 03-11-2008
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Posted by z on March 12, 2008, 4:03 pm
> Oren wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:09:25 -0400, trader-of-some-jacks
>
>
> >>>Do you have a door closure device? (looks like a shock absorber)
>
> >>>Might need adjustment or replacement.
>
> >>Yes, I've played with that using each possible permutation:
>
> >>- a "winter" and "summer" setting for how the shaft mounts to the door
> >>(two holes for mounting, one for with screen, one for with storm
> >>window)
>
> >>- a screw-adjusted tension setting
>
> >>On the most tension setting, the door will just slam when there's no
> >>air resistance (like when the front door is open). =A0But with the front=

> >>door closed, the storm door will come flying closed, then slow down
> >>and stop =A0short of latching into the door frame.
>
> >>Since I can set the closure device to essentially slam the door with
> >>no shock absorbed "bounces" back, I assume that the door is closing
> >>pretty hard. =A0Just not hard enough to latch.
>
> >>Of course if I expose some screens on the door (the storm windows
> >>retract into the door frame), that cuts the insulating ability of the
> >>door. =A0Same if I remove weather stripping or the door sweep.
>
> > With a =A0hydraulic cylinder; it should close and then snug the door to
> > the latch. (no portion of the door dragging on the sill?) Hinges are
> > tight, etc....?
>
> > I can only suggest the cylinder is leaking ...replace..
>
> I've been doing the same dance; I've come to the conclusion that it's
> simply not possible to have the storm door latch itself with the inside
> door closed. =A0I have not found a closer with enough grunt to pull it
> shut, it's due to the air building up between the doors - it slams
> nicely with the inside door open.
>
> nate
>
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same here. just about every door i've seen has the same problem. my
latest installation i put in a lot of time getting it installed just
right; it had two closing cylinders; still won't do it with the
windows in. i can detect what they're going for; just after the period
of cushioned slow closing, just before the cylinder is completely
pulled in, there's a short period of uncushioned closing for like half
an inch which i gather is supposed to snap the door closed on the
latch. damned if i can make that happen though.

Posted by Grandpa Chuck on March 11, 2008, 7:35 pm
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:07 -0400, trader-of-some-jacks

>My front storm door is mounted so that the hinges are on the east,
>meaning that the open part of the door is exposed to the breezes much
>of the time, and this winter, we've had some very windy days (40-70
>mph).
>
>The wind can damage the door if it flings it open too violently, and
>this of course scares and concerns me.
>
>But when my main front door is shut, and the storm door has the
>windows (not screens) in, the door won't shut all the way until it
>clicks firmly closed and latched. The air resistance as it closes,
>especially the final couple inches into the doorframe, slows the door
>enough that it won't shut.
>
>I don't have a problem in the summer - with the screens in, the door
>closes and latches, even with the main front door closed.
>
>I don't have a problem in the winter when the door closes and the main
>front door is open (such as when I'm entering the house).
>
>The only problem is in the common scenario where people are leaving
>the house through the front door. They pull the main door shut, then
>the storm door won't close to latching.
>
>I've played with the resistance/closing speed settings in the storm
>door, and even when I can make it slam hard with the main front door
>open, it won't close to latching with the main front door closed.
>
>So what am I supposed to do, without just leaving the screens in even
>during the winter, if I want the door to properly close in the winter?

If a simply storm door spring doesn't do the job the a hydraulic
cylinder probably will, plus the tension is pretty easy to adjust.
--

Grandpa Chuck
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~

Please grant me:
the serenity to accept the people I cannot change
the courage to change the one that I can
the wisdom to know that it is me

Posted by Norminn on March 11, 2008, 9:10 pm
trader-of-some-jacks wrote:

>My front storm door is mounted so that the hinges are on the east,
>meaning that the open part of the door is exposed to the breezes much
>of the time, and this winter, we've had some very windy days (40-70
>mph).
>
>The wind can damage the door if it flings it open too violently, and
>this of course scares and concerns me.
>
>But when my main front door is shut, and the storm door has the
>windows (not screens) in, the door won't shut all the way until it
>clicks firmly closed and latched. The air resistance as it closes,
>especially the final couple inches into the doorframe, slows the door
>enough that it won't shut.
>
>I don't have a problem in the summer - with the screens in, the door
>closes and latches, even with the main front door closed.
>
>I don't have a problem in the winter when the door closes and the main
>front door is open (such as when I'm entering the house).
>
>The only problem is in the common scenario where people are leaving
>the house through the front door. They pull the main door shut, then
>the storm door won't close to latching.
>
>I've played with the resistance/closing speed settings in the storm
>door, and even when I can make it slam hard with the main front door
>open, it won't close to latching with the main front door closed.
>
>So what am I supposed to do, without just leaving the screens in even
>during the winter, if I want the door to properly close in the winter?
>
>
I used to leave the window open a tiny bit, just to equalize more
quickly. That door
that would also be ripped open by the wind because there were no
windbreaks. We put up two
panels of wood lattice, one on either side. It wasn't very deep but did
the trick and stopped
the door from being ripped from the frame. The lattice was attached to
4x4 posts. Another
kind of windbreak, even landscaping, would probably work. I was
surprised the lattice was
so effective.

Posted by mm on March 11, 2008, 9:24 pm
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:07 -0400, trader-of-some-jacks

>My front storm door is mounted so that the hinges are on the east,
>meaning that the open part of the door is exposed to the breezes much
>of the time, and this winter, we've had some very windy days (40-70
>mph).
>
I think this is a troll, and I'm not going to play.

Posted by trader-of-some-jacks on March 11, 2008, 9:52 pm
wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:07 -0400, trader-of-some-jacks
>
>>My front storm door is mounted so that the hinges are on the east,
>>meaning that the open part of the door is exposed to the breezes much
>>of the time, and this winter, we've had some very windy days (40-70
>>mph).
>>
>I think this is a troll, and I'm not going to play.

I don't mind at all that you can't be bothered to offer a constructive
suggestion to the very real problem I posted about my storm door not
closing and latching under some circumstances.

Hope you don't mind at all that I can't solve at least two very real
problems that you seem to have: that you're a judgmental jerk; and
that, with roughly 450 usenet posts in the first 70 days or so of this
year (according to google), you seem to have considerably more idle
time on your hands than a worthwhile person would.

Don't let my storm door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

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