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How to bleed radiators with no bleeder valve? Shaun Eli 11-22-2008
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Posted by Shaun Eli on November 22, 2008, 5:22 pm
My house (built in sixties) has gas, hot water heat.

The baseboard radiators have no way to bleed them. When the heat's on
I hear running water, which I am told means that there's air in the
line. Last year the plumber emptied and refilled the system to
eliminate (he said) the gurgling noise from having air in the system.

They say that's the only way, and that the expansion tank should
capture any air and that's the way the system was built.

Of course now that the heat's on this winter there's more gurgling
noise.

Anybody have any suggestions? It seems to me that all water from the
tap has some dissolved air so flushing the system just replaces the
water with other water with dissolved air.

Would it work and make sense to have them cut into a pipe on the top
floor, install a vertical pipe to trap air, and have a bleeder valve
built into that pipe?

Posted by ransley on November 22, 2008, 5:31 pm
> My house (built in sixties) has gas, hot water heat.
>
> The baseboard radiators have no way to bleed them. =A0When the heat's on
> I hear running water, which I am told means that there's air in the
> line. =A0Last year the plumber emptied and refilled the system to
> eliminate (he said) the gurgling noise from having air in the system.
>
> They say that's the only way, and that the expansion tank should
> capture any air and that's the way the system was built.
>
> Of course now that the heat's on this winter there's more gurgling
> noise.
>
> Anybody have any suggestions? =A0It seems to me that all water from the
> tap has some dissolved air so flushing the system just replaces the
> water with other water with dissolved air.
>
> Would it work and make sense to have them cut into a pipe on the top
> floor, install a vertical pipe to trap air, and have a bleeder valve
> built into that pipe?

Thats what I would do, I would be sure its the highest point. So you
have looked yourself and cant find any fitting anywhere on a radiator
or pipe that can be loosened to release air, look at the highest
places the pipe and radiators are. A house can settle unevenly and
trap air in other places

Posted by Bubba on November 22, 2008, 8:40 pm
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:31:59 -0800 (PST), ransley

>> My house (built in sixties) has gas, hot water heat.
>>
>> The baseboard radiators have no way to bleed them.  When the heat's on
>> I hear running water, which I am told means that there's air in the
>> line.  Last year the plumber emptied and refilled the system to
>> eliminate (he said) the gurgling noise from having air in the system.
>>
>> They say that's the only way, and that the expansion tank should
>> capture any air and that's the way the system was built.
>>
>> Of course now that the heat's on this winter there's more gurgling
>> noise.
>>
>> Anybody have any suggestions?  It seems to me that all water from the
>> tap has some dissolved air so flushing the system just replaces the
>> water with other water with dissolved air.
>>
>> Would it work and make sense to have them cut into a pipe on the top
>> floor, install a vertical pipe to trap air, and have a bleeder valve
>> built into that pipe?
>
>Thats what I would do, I would be sure its the highest point. So you
>have looked yourself and cant find any fitting anywhere on a radiator
>or pipe that can be loosened to release air, look at the highest
>places the pipe and radiators are. A house can settle unevenly and
>trap air in other places

Ransley,
Will you stop giving out stupid advice? What he and you have suggested
is ridiculous. On baseboard radiators you need a bleeder installed
preferably in each corner of each room. Unless you can guarantee that
where the pipe comes upstairs until it goes back down to the boiler
that every inch of that baseboard follows the same upward pitch you
will be wasting your time. What works well also is to have 2 shut off
valves in the line at the boiler with a boiler drain in between. That
way you shut off either valve, open up the boiler drain valve and let
the water fly. Then shut off the other valve open the other and let it
fly again. Now open them both and most or all of the air is gone. Who
wants a pipe sticking up in the middle of their home like you suggest?
Where do you propose to hide this useless device?
Learn a trade ransley and stop dolling out stupid advice .........just
like your System 2000 crap. What a pile of dung.
Bubba

Posted by ransley on November 23, 2008, 9:08 am
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:31:59 -0800 (PST), ransley
>
>
>
>
>
> >> My house (built in sixties) has gas, hot water heat.
>
> >> The baseboard radiators have no way to bleed them. =A0When the heat's =
on
> >> I hear running water, which I am told means that there's air in the
> >> line. =A0Last year the plumber emptied and refilled the system to
> >> eliminate (he said) the gurgling noise from having air in the system.
>
> >> They say that's the only way, and that the expansion tank should
> >> capture any air and that's the way the system was built.
>
> >> Of course now that the heat's on this winter there's more gurgling
> >> noise.
>
> >> Anybody have any suggestions? =A0It seems to me that all water from th=
e
> >> tap has some dissolved air so flushing the system just replaces the
> >> water with other water with dissolved air.
>
> >> Would it work and make sense to have them cut into a pipe on the top
> >> floor, install a vertical pipe to trap air, and have a bleeder valve
> >> built into that pipe?
>
> >Thats what I would do, I would be sure its the highest point. So you
> >have looked yourself and cant find any fitting anywhere on a radiator
> >or pipe that can be loosened to release air, look at the highest
> >places the pipe and radiators are. A house can settle unevenly and
> >trap air in other places
>
> Ransley,
> Will you stop giving out stupid advice? What he and you have suggested
> is ridiculous. On baseboard radiators you need a bleeder installed
> preferably in each corner of each room. Unless you can guarantee that
> where the pipe comes upstairs until it goes back down to the boiler
> that every inch of that baseboard follows the same upward pitch you
> will be wasting your time. What works well also is to have 2 shut off
> valves in the line at the boiler with a boiler drain in between. That
> way you shut off either valve, open up the boiler drain valve and let
> the water fly. Then shut off the other valve open the other and let it
> fly again. Now open them both and most or all of the air is gone. Who
> wants a pipe sticking up in the middle of their home like you suggest?
> Where do you propose to hide this useless device?
> Learn a trade ransley and stop dolling out stupid advice .........just
> like your System 2000 crap. What a pile of dung.
> Bubba- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bubbas hack bullshit response again, You drinkin again bubbass, put
one in every room and pay your tech alot. If you read and understood
what you read you would see I mention uneven pipes from house
settling. Only one could be needed if its the high point, and as I
said bubbass at the highest point. Why shouldnt he try the cheapest
route first, but of course you always want the biggest job, thats why
you are not always busy with your company of 1

Since when is it MY System 2000 you inbred, missquoting, toothless,
hackbilly dumbass. I have read about them thats all, so enlighten us
on all the problem issues, or the ones that confuse your uneducated
pee brain. Its not like I would believe you anyway, from all the rude
bs missinformation crap you post, Im sure you just stay away from
anything remotely advanced because it confuses you.

Posted by Bubba on November 23, 2008, 10:04 am
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:08:14 -0800 (PST), ransley

>> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:31:59 -0800 (PST), ransley
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> My house (built in sixties) has gas, hot water heat.
>>
>> >> The baseboard radiators have no way to bleed them.  When the heat's on
>> >> I hear running water, which I am told means that there's air in the
>> >> line.  Last year the plumber emptied and refilled the system to
>> >> eliminate (he said) the gurgling noise from having air in the system.
>>
>> >> They say that's the only way, and that the expansion tank should
>> >> capture any air and that's the way the system was built.
>>
>> >> Of course now that the heat's on this winter there's more gurgling
>> >> noise.
>>
>> >> Anybody have any suggestions?  It seems to me that all water from the
>> >> tap has some dissolved air so flushing the system just replaces the
>> >> water with other water with dissolved air.
>>
>> >> Would it work and make sense to have them cut into a pipe on the top
>> >> floor, install a vertical pipe to trap air, and have a bleeder valve
>> >> built into that pipe?
>>
>> >Thats what I would do, I would be sure its the highest point. So you
>> >have looked yourself and cant find any fitting anywhere on a radiator
>> >or pipe that can be loosened to release air, look at the highest
>> >places the pipe and radiators are. A house can settle unevenly and
>> >trap air in other places
>>
>> Ransley,
>> Will you stop giving out stupid advice? What he and you have suggested
>> is ridiculous. On baseboard radiators you need a bleeder installed
>> preferably in each corner of each room. Unless you can guarantee that
>> where the pipe comes upstairs until it goes back down to the boiler
>> that every inch of that baseboard follows the same upward pitch you
>> will be wasting your time. What works well also is to have 2 shut off
>> valves in the line at the boiler with a boiler drain in between. That
>> way you shut off either valve, open up the boiler drain valve and let
>> the water fly. Then shut off the other valve open the other and let it
>> fly again. Now open them both and most or all of the air is gone. Who
>> wants a pipe sticking up in the middle of their home like you suggest?
>> Where do you propose to hide this useless device?
>> Learn a trade ransley and stop dolling out stupid advice .........just
>> like your System 2000 crap. What a pile of dung.
>> Bubba- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Bubbas hack bullshit response again, You drinkin again bubbass, put
>one in every room and pay your tech alot. If you read and understood
>what you read you would see I mention uneven pipes from house
>settling. Only one could be needed if its the high point, and as I
>said bubbass at the highest point. Why shouldnt he try the cheapest
>route first, but of course you always want the biggest job, thats why
>you are not always busy with your company of 1
>
> Since when is it MY System 2000 you inbred, missquoting, toothless,
>hackbilly dumbass. I have read about them thats all, so enlighten us
>on all the problem issues, or the ones that confuse your uneducated
>pee brain. Its not like I would believe you anyway, from all the rude
>bs missinformation crap you post, Im sure you just stay away from
>anything remotely advanced because it confuses you.

ransley, you will just never get it right.
you dont put one in every room afterwards. If it was put in properly
from the start you would already have them along with what I mentioned
at the boiler.
Do you have any idea what it costs to have a tech come out, drain the
system entirely, solder in one of your hack wizardy pipe stubs, refill
the system and then purge the air from it? NO, I didnt think so. Guess
what? It still wont work and now you just paid a butt load to have
your shit idea installed. Now what? Have them come back, repeat it
again with another pipe installed at another high point? You piss ant.
You havent a damn clue what you are talking about. Try installing
boiler systems for a living for a while then come back and tell me
what you still dont know.
.........and that System 2000 you rave on so well takes about 2
seconds of looking at that opening page to let anyone know it is a
POS! Way too many better well known brands that I would trust my money
to.
Go pedal some snake oil elixer ransley you pud.
Bubba

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