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How to repair door knob that won't close? meatnub 07-25-2008
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Posted by Jeff Wisnia on July 25, 2008, 2:56 pm


charlie wrote:

>
>>On 7/25/2008 9:23 AM meatnub spake thus:
>>
>>
>>>Wife and I moved into an 60 year old (or so) row home with apparently
>>>original door knob closures. Sorry don't know the techinical word.
>>
>>>The door or the knobs are out of alignment, and no matter how hard you
>>>push the door against the door jamb, you can't get the doorknob tongue
>>>(the metal part that sticks out) to go into the doorjamb recess metal
>>>thingy (the part where the doorknob tongue goes into).
>>
>>>The previous owners put those brass looking doorknobs with crystal
>>>clear doorknobs and brass plates... but never did anything about the
>>>doorknob part on the doorjamb itself.
>>
>>>What do i do to repair this?
>>
>>First of all, terminology: the parts of the door you seem to be
>>concerned with here are the latch (the thingy that sticks out of the
>>door) and the strike (the metal plate that's supposed to receive the
>>latch.
>>
>>Hard to tell for sure from your description (pictures might help), but
>>it's possible that the problem is that the latch isn't aligned correctly
>>with the strike. This is the most common problem with doors that no
>>longer close correctly: the house has moved over time, and the jamb,
>>which carries the strike, has moved it out of range of the latch.
>>
>>Pretty easy to tell if this is the case: hunker down so your eyes are
>>level with the latch. Close the door and see where the latch hits on the
>>strike. If it's missing the openings in the strike, then that's your
>>problem.
>>
>>*If* this is the problem, the usual solution is to move the strike (not
>>the latch, which would be much harder to do). Remove the strike, mark
>>the new location, chisel out a new mortise for it, drill new pilot holes
>>for the screws, screw it back in.
>>
>>--
>>"Wikipedia ... it reminds me ... of dogs barking idiotically through
>>endless nights. It is so bad that a sort of grandeur creeps into it.
>>It drags itself out of the dark abyss of pish, and crawls insanely up
>>the topmost pinnacle of posh. It is rumble and bumble. It is flap and
>>doodle. It is balder and dash."
>>
>>- With apologies to H. L. Mencken
>
>
> Excuse my lack of terminology and thanks for the quick reply!
>
> Latch and strike. Got it!
>
> Ah yes, that makes sense - the jambs and house moving over time.
>
> That's what I thought I would have to do - remove the strike and
> chisel a new opening in the strike. I've been a little hesitant in
> doing this, but I think since all I have to do is move the strike 1/4
> of an inch or so, hopefully I won't have to chisel that much and make
> things worse. Though I don't think I can do much harm, as long as I
> don't chisel where the strike needs to be screwed in.
>
> --
>
> it's frequently hard to drill new holes if they are close to the existing
> holes. you have to plug the existing holes with something. glue in a golf
> tee or dowel, let harden overnight, and drill the new holes in the correct
> place..
>
>

If misalignment of the latch and strike is what's the problem, they
might be just a little way from engaging OK.

If so, you may be able to remove the strike plate and file its opening
longer on the correct end, then reinstall it without having to chisel
anything more than a bit of the wood on one end of the hole behind it.

I've done it that way myself several times. Take a look see and maybe
you can do it that way.

Jeff

--
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(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
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Posted by mm on July 26, 2008, 12:14 am


On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:16:20 -0700, "charlie"

>
>That's what I thought I would have to do - remove the strike and
>chisel a new opening in the strike. I've been a little hesitant in
>doing this, but I think since all I have to do is move the strike 1/4
>of an inch or so, hopefully I won't have to chisel that much and make
>things worse. Though I don't think I can do much harm, as long as I
>don't chisel where the strike needs to be screwed in.
>
>--
>
>it's frequently hard to drill new holes if they are close to the existing
>holes. you have to plug the existing holes with something. glue in a golf
>tee

This could be expensive. First you have to join a golf club and
that's hundreds of dollars, thousands for a really fancy one.

>or dowel, let harden overnight, and drill the new holes in the correct
>place..
>


Posted by Joe on July 26, 2008, 11:25 pm


>
>
>
> > On 7/25/2008 9:23 AM meatnub spake thus:
>
> > > Wife and I moved into an 60 year old (or so) row home with apparently
> > > original door knob closures. Sorry don't know the techinical word.
>
> > > The door or the knobs are out of alignment, and no matter how hard yo=
u
> > > push the door against the door jamb, you can't get the doorknob tongu=
e
> > > (the metal part that sticks out) to go into the doorjamb recess metal
> > > thingy (the part where the doorknob tongue goes into).
>
> > > The previous owners put those brass looking doorknobs with crystal
> > > clear doorknobs and brass plates... but never did anything about the
> > > doorknob part on the doorjamb itself.
>
> > > What do i do to repair this?
>
> > First of all, terminology: the parts of the door you seem to be
> > concerned with here are the latch (the thingy that sticks out of the
> > door) and the strike (the metal plate that's supposed to receive the la=
tch.
>
> > Hard to tell for sure from your description (pictures might help), but
> > it's possible that the problem is that the latch isn't aligned correctl=
y
> > with the strike. This is the most common problem with doors that no
> > longer close correctly: the house has moved over time, and the jamb,
> > which carries the strike, has moved it out of range of the latch.
>
> > Pretty easy to tell if this is the case: hunker down so your eyes are
> > level with the latch. Close the door and see where the latch hits on th=
e
> > strike. If it's missing the openings in the strike, then that's your
> > problem.
>
> > *If* this is the problem, the usual solution is to move the strike (not
> > the latch, which would be much harder to do). Remove the strike, mark
> > the new location, chisel out a new mortise for it, drill new pilot hole=
s
> > for the screws, screw it back in.
>
> > --
> > "Wikipedia ... it reminds me ... of dogs barking idiotically through
> > endless nights. It is so bad that a sort of grandeur creeps into it.
> > It drags itself out of the dark abyss of pish, and crawls insanely up
> > the topmost pinnacle of posh. It is rumble and bumble. It is flap and
> > doodle. It is balder and dash."
>
> > - With apologies to H. L. Mencken
>
> Excuse my lack of terminology and thanks for the quick reply!
>
> Latch and strike. Got it!
>
> Ah yes, that makes sense - the jambs and house moving over time.
>
> That's what I thought I would have to do - remove the strike and
> chisel a new opening in the strike. I've been a little hesitant in
> doing this, but I think since all I have to do is move the strike 1/4
> of an inch or so, hopefully I won't have to chisel that much and make
> things worse. Though I don't think I can do much harm, as long as I
> don't chisel where the strike needs to be screwed in.

If all the good advice you have here doesn't work, you may have to
make your own new strike plate. Easy done with a hack saw, drill and
countersink and file,. For material stop by a sheet metal shop and
scrounge a piece of .060" stainless steel. Scribe the outline of the
old strike plate on it, scribe a new location for the latch opening,
cut, trim, file to fit and install in the old location. Spray paint it
with Rustoleum brass if esthetics are vital. Used this scheme many
times in old houses with significant success...

Joe

Posted by Nate Nagel on July 27, 2008, 12:28 am


Joe wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>On 7/25/2008 9:23 AM meatnub spake thus:
>>
>>>>Wife and I moved into an 60 year old (or so) row home with apparently
>>>>original door knob closures. Sorry don't know the techinical word.
>>
>>>>The door or the knobs are out of alignment, and no matter how hard you
>>>>push the door against the door jamb, you can't get the doorknob tongue
>>>>(the metal part that sticks out) to go into the doorjamb recess metal
>>>>thingy (the part where the doorknob tongue goes into).
>>
>>>>The previous owners put those brass looking doorknobs with crystal
>>>>clear doorknobs and brass plates... but never did anything about the
>>>>doorknob part on the doorjamb itself.
>>
>>>>What do i do to repair this?
>>
>>>First of all, terminology: the parts of the door you seem to be
>>>concerned with here are the latch (the thingy that sticks out of the
>>>door) and the strike (the metal plate that's supposed to receive the latch.
>>
>>>Hard to tell for sure from your description (pictures might help), but
>>>it's possible that the problem is that the latch isn't aligned correctly
>>>with the strike. This is the most common problem with doors that no
>>>longer close correctly: the house has moved over time, and the jamb,
>>>which carries the strike, has moved it out of range of the latch.
>>
>>>Pretty easy to tell if this is the case: hunker down so your eyes are
>>>level with the latch. Close the door and see where the latch hits on the
>>>strike. If it's missing the openings in the strike, then that's your
>>>problem.
>>
>>>*If* this is the problem, the usual solution is to move the strike (not
>>>the latch, which would be much harder to do). Remove the strike, mark
>>>the new location, chisel out a new mortise for it, drill new pilot holes
>>>for the screws, screw it back in.
>>
>>>--
>>>"Wikipedia ... it reminds me ... of dogs barking idiotically through
>>>endless nights. It is so bad that a sort of grandeur creeps into it.
>>>It drags itself out of the dark abyss of pish, and crawls insanely up
>>>the topmost pinnacle of posh. It is rumble and bumble. It is flap and
>>>doodle. It is balder and dash."
>>
>>>- With apologies to H. L. Mencken
>>
>>Excuse my lack of terminology and thanks for the quick reply!
>>
>>Latch and strike. Got it!
>>
>>Ah yes, that makes sense - the jambs and house moving over time.
>>
>>That's what I thought I would have to do - remove the strike and
>>chisel a new opening in the strike. I've been a little hesitant in
>>doing this, but I think since all I have to do is move the strike 1/4
>>of an inch or so, hopefully I won't have to chisel that much and make
>>things worse. Though I don't think I can do much harm, as long as I
>>don't chisel where the strike needs to be screwed in.
>
>
> If all the good advice you have here doesn't work, you may have to
> make your own new strike plate. Easy done with a hack saw, drill and
> countersink and file,. For material stop by a sheet metal shop and
> scrounge a piece of .060" stainless steel. Scribe the outline of the
> old strike plate on it, scribe a new location for the latch opening,
> cut, trim, file to fit and install in the old location. Spray paint it
> with Rustoleum brass if esthetics are vital. Used this scheme many
> times in old houses with significant success...
>
> Joe

I have actually found sources for vintage looking strike plates. I
wanted some to match the existing in my house because I didn't want to
have to redo all the door jambs (a lot of doors were removed by a
previous owner, but the frames were still intact. Also a couple strike
plates were missing on installed doors.) I don't remember where I found
them from, but there were at least two different sizes/shapes, and mine
apparently was less common. I can find out if it helps though, the
extras are still in the envelope that they came in.

nate

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Posted by ransley on July 25, 2008, 2:35 pm


> Wife and I moved into an 60 year old (or so) row home with apparently
> original door knob closures. Sorry don't know the techinical word.
>
> The door or the knobs are out of alignment, and no matter how hard you
> push the door against the door jamb, you can't get the doorknob tongue
> (the metal part that sticks out) to go into the doorjamb recess metal
> thingy (the part where the doorknob tongue goes into).
>
> The previous owners put those brass looking doorknobs with crystal
> clear doorknobs and brass plates... but never did anything about the
> doorknob part on the doorjamb itself.
>
> What do i do to repair this?

Easier could be file the hole on the strike a bit larger , chisel a
bit, or not, and keep screws in same location.

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