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Posted by Dan C on June 25, 2005, 12:25 am
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:22:53 +0000, Tom Miller wrote:
>> | That may well be true. It doesn't help, however, to throw out "quotes"
>> | that were never actually said by anybody. There's already too much
>> | bullshit flying around over this situation.
> How about this? (warning, contains real quotes):
Whatever. There are any number of extreme wing sites around to quote
stuff from. Doesn't make it accurate, correct, or valid.
This isn't the place for this junk anyway... Have a good day.
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Posted by Tom Miller on June 25, 2005, 12:09 pm
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:25:21 -0500, Dan C
> | On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:22:53 +0000, Tom Miller wrote:
> |
> | >> | That may well be true. It doesn't help, however, to throw out
"quotes"
> | >> | that were never actually said by anybody. There's already too much
> | >> | bullshit flying around over this situation.
> |
> | > How about this? (warning, contains real quotes):
> | >Conservative Think Tank Details Bush Miscalculations in Iraq
> | >Larry Diamond, senior fellow at Stanford University's Hoover
> | >Institution, recently published an article detailing a long list of
> | >miscalculations in the war in Iraq.
> | >... "[Bush] Administration officials repeatedly deluded themselves
> | >into believing that the defeat of the insurgency was just around the
> | >corner -- just as soon as the long, hot summer of 2003 ended, or
> | >reconstruction dollars started flowing in and jobs were created, or
> | >the political transition began, or Saddam Hussein was captured, or the
> | >interim government was inaugurated."
> | >However, as Diamond concludes, "The transition in Iraq is going to
> | >need a huge amount of international assistance -- political, economic,
> | >and military -- for years to come."
> | >Source: Foreign Affairs, "What Went Wrong in Iraq," Larry Diamond,
> | >Sept/Oct 2004.
> |
> | Whatever. There are any number of extreme wing sites around to quote
> | stuff from. Doesn't make it accurate, correct, or valid.
> |
Huh? The Hoover Institute and Foreign Affairs magazine "extreme
wing"???
I suppose CNN ("Meet the Press" March 16, 2003) is also "extreme
wing"?
Cheney told Russert, "Now, I think things have gotten so bad inside
Iraq, from the standpoint of the Iraqi people, my belief is we will,
in fact, be greeted as liberators."
Russert challenged Cheney's rosy forecast: "If your analysis is not
correct, and we're not treated as liberators, but conquerors, and the
Iraqis begin to resist, particularly in Baghdad, do you think the
American people are prepared for a long, costly, and bloody battle
with significant American casualties?"
To which Cheney responded: "Well, I don't think it's likely to unfold
that way, Tim, because I really do believe that we will be greeted as
liberators. I've talked with a lot of Iraqis in the last several
months myself, had them to the White House.... The read we get on the
people of Iraq is there is no question but that they want to get rid
of Saddam Hussein and they will welcome as liberators the United
States when we come to do that." Later in the interview, Cheney added,
"If you look at the opposition, they've come together, I think, very
effectively, with representatives from Shia, Sunni, and Kurdish
elements in the population."
Towards the end of his performance, the Vice President extended his
"cakewalk liberation" forecast, to further assert that American
preventive military action to overthrow Saddam Hussein would stabilize
the Middle East. He cited Dr. Bernard Lewis, the British Arab Bureau
spook and author of the "Arc of Crisis," "Islamic card" fiasco, as his
authority: "I firmly believe, along with, you know, men like Bernard
Lewis, who's one of the great, I think, students of that part of the
world, that strong, firm U.S. response to terror and to threats to the
United States would go a long way, frankly, towards calming things in
that part of the world."
Almost exactly 80 hours after Cheney's appearance on NBC-TV, the
United States launched an unprovoked and unnecessary war on Iraq.
According to Washington-based senior Arab diplomatic sources,
governments of the Middle East were told by top Bush Administration
officials, on the eve of the attack, that the Iraq war would be over
in seven to ten days.
> | This isn't the place for this junk anyway... Have a good day.
I would argue that everywhere and anywhere is the place for freedom of
expression. But I will have a good day, thankful that I am fortunate
enough to live in a free America that my forefathers founded and
fought for, and that I have not yet been put in a concentration camp
in Cuba. You have a good day too.
> |
> | --
> | If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
> | Linux Registered User #327951
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Posted by Dan C on June 25, 2005, 10:10 pm
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:09:51 +0000, Tom Miller wrote:
<large amount of political bullshit snipped>
>> | This isn't the place for this junk anyway... Have a good day.
> I would argue that everywhere and anywhere is the place for freedom of
And you'd be wrong, again. This forum is for Home Repair. Take the
anti-administration stuff somewhere else.
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Posted by Luke on June 24, 2005, 7:39 pm
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:08:44 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:
maradcliff@UNLISTED..com wrote:
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>>You took the words right out of my mouth. I totally agree with you,
>>except I was not in the marines. Clinton had a sexual affair and lied
>>about it. Bush has killed 1700 Americans and something like 100,000
>>Iraq people
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>Wrong. The overwhelming majority of the deaths in Iraq have been the work of
>terrorists, not the US military.
Can you provide sources for that?
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"For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass
destruction [as justification for invading Iraq], because it was the
one reason everyone could agree on." -- Paul Wolfowitz, May 28, 2003
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Posted by Dan C on June 25, 2005, 12:27 am
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:39:14 -0600, Luke wrote:
>>Wrong. The overwhelming majority of the deaths in Iraq have been the work of
>>terrorists, not the US military.
> Can you provide sources for that?
Please, this isn't a political newsgroup... there are plenty of other
places to rant and rave about it... please just go there and do it.
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If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
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