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In-house visit by a "Rainbow vacuum" salesperson Ignoramus32056 04-27-2007
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Posted by Ignoramus32056 on April 27, 2007, 12:27 pm


We had a visit by a saleswoman who was trying to sell us a $2,000
"Rainbow cleaning system". For just listening, we received a gift of
some bed sheet and also a "gift travel certificate" from a company
called "Certs, Inc". (which is a florida based travel gifts company
that does not make me very excited)

http://www.rainbowsystem.com/

What this thing is, it seems, is a 25k RPM impeller sitting on top of
a Lexan bowl filled with water. The impeller sucks air in, makes it
whirl in a way that it makes contact with water and sheds the dust and
other stuff into water.

There is no filter, like on conventional vacuums that trap particles
into a filter. Water acts as a filter.

The machine was supposedly "1.9 HP", however, when measured with my
Kill-A-Watt power meter, it registered only 850 watts consumed from
the wall outlet, so it could not be more than 1 HP. OK, we all know
that everyone is lying about HP these days. No biggie. If it was 1.9
HP, it would trip the breakers all the time.

As a side comment, what we have now is a Sears Kenmore upright vacuum
that is a real beast, it uses about 13 amps and has a HEPA filter.

Then the saleswoman proceeded to make various points, which I may not
remember all or in correct order, but I will mention a few.

1. Vacuum cleaners do not pick up sand from carpets/rugs, well.
No comment on my part.

2. After just 15 minutes of use, due to dust getting into the fine
mesh of the vacuum's filter, the "air flow" diminishes due to dust
blocking the little pores. So a vacuum cleaner is not usable.

This was a total lie, as was easy to demonstrate with my vacuum which
has its bag 2/3 full already. It still sucked well and produced a lot
of suction and air flow.

3. Vacuums blow dust around and increase amount of dust.

I cannot say that it is false, for sure, but the 2.3 full bag in our
vacuum attests that it traps at least some dust. Plus, it does have a
HEPA filter.

She did some acrobatics by taking out the HEPA filter, which had some
dust on the back, kind of mashed it in her hands a little and put
back, -- then when the vacuum turned on, a lot of dust was indeed
blown out.

4. Then there were some demonstrations that Rainbow would still pick
up dust after vacuuming with a Sears vacuum, which could possibly be
true but I think that she cheated a bit by going outside the area that
I actually vacuumed, a bit -- it is kind of hard to tell, I think so
but my spouse is not so sure.

5. She made some claims about infections that her system prevented,
which went somewhat over my head but overall I was not sure if it was
not complete bunk.

We did not purchase this system in the end, but I wanted to hear some
opinions on this stuff.

i


Posted by yourname on April 27, 2007, 12:45 pm


Ignoramus32056 wrote:
> We had a visit by a saleswoman who was trying to sell us a $2,000
> "Rainbow cleaning system". For just listening, we received a gift of
> some bed sheet and also a "gift travel certificate" from a company
> called "Certs, Inc". (which is a florida based travel gifts company
> that does not make me very excited)
>
> http://www.rainbowsystem.com/
>
> What this thing is, it seems, is a 25k RPM impeller sitting on top of
> a Lexan bowl filled with water. The impeller sucks air in, makes it
> whirl in a way that it makes contact with water and sheds the dust and
> other stuff into water.
>
> There is no filter, like on conventional vacuums that trap particles
> into a filter. Water acts as a filter.
>
> The machine was supposedly "1.9 HP", however, when measured with my
> Kill-A-Watt power meter, it registered only 850 watts consumed from
> the wall outlet, so it could not be more than 1 HP. OK, we all know
> that everyone is lying about HP these days. No biggie. If it was 1.9
> HP, it would trip the breakers all the time.
>
> As a side comment, what we have now is a Sears Kenmore upright vacuum
> that is a real beast, it uses about 13 amps and has a HEPA filter.
>
> Then the saleswoman proceeded to make various points, which I may not
> remember all or in correct order, but I will mention a few.
>
> 1. Vacuum cleaners do not pick up sand from carpets/rugs, well.
> No comment on my part.
>
> 2. After just 15 minutes of use, due to dust getting into the fine
> mesh of the vacuum's filter, the "air flow" diminishes due to dust
> blocking the little pores. So a vacuum cleaner is not usable.
>
> This was a total lie, as was easy to demonstrate with my vacuum which
> has its bag 2/3 full already. It still sucked well and produced a lot
> of suction and air flow.
>
> 3. Vacuums blow dust around and increase amount of dust.
>
> I cannot say that it is false, for sure, but the 2.3 full bag in our
> vacuum attests that it traps at least some dust. Plus, it does have a
> HEPA filter.
>
> She did some acrobatics by taking out the HEPA filter, which had some
> dust on the back, kind of mashed it in her hands a little and put
> back, -- then when the vacuum turned on, a lot of dust was indeed
> blown out.
>
> 4. Then there were some demonstrations that Rainbow would still pick
> up dust after vacuuming with a Sears vacuum, which could possibly be
> true but I think that she cheated a bit by going outside the area that
> I actually vacuumed, a bit -- it is kind of hard to tell, I think so
> but my spouse is not so sure.
>
> 5. She made some claims about infections that her system prevented,
> which went somewhat over my head but overall I was not sure if it was
> not complete bunk.
>
> We did not purchase this system in the end, but I wanted to hear some
> opinions on this stuff.
>
> i
>
I sold them briefly over 25 years ago. they are a good product that is
overpriced with a scam of a marketing system. I starved for a few weeks
then got a job



Lessee.

I want to talk to you today about air pollution, not outdoor air
pollution, but indoor air pollution......

Posted by on April 27, 2007, 1:54 pm


> Ignoramus32056 wrote:
> > We had a visit by a saleswoman who was trying to sell us a $2,000
> > "Rainbow cleaning system". For just listening, we received a gift of
> > some bed sheet and also a "gift travel certificate" from a company
> > called "Certs, Inc". (which is a florida based travel gifts company
> > that does not make me very excited)
>
> > http://www.rainbowsystem.com/
>
> > What this thing is, it seems, is a 25k RPM impeller sitting on top of
> > a Lexan bowl filled with water. The impeller sucks air in, makes it
> > whirl in a way that it makes contact with water and sheds the dust and
> > other stuff into water.
>
> > There is no filter, like on conventional vacuums that trap particles
> > into a filter. Water acts as a filter.
>
> > The machine was supposedly "1.9 HP", however, when measured with my
> > Kill-A-Watt power meter, it registered only 850 watts consumed from
> > the wall outlet, so it could not be more than 1 HP. OK, we all know
> > that everyone is lying about HP these days. No biggie. If it was 1.9
> > HP, it would trip the breakers all the time.
>
> > As a side comment, what we have now is a Sears Kenmore upright vacuum
> > that is a real beast, it uses about 13 amps and has a HEPA filter.
>
> > Then the saleswoman proceeded to make various points, which I may not
> > remember all or in correct order, but I will mention a few.
>
> > 1. Vacuum cleaners do not pick up sand from carpets/rugs, well.
> > No comment on my part.
>
> > 2. After just 15 minutes of use, due to dust getting into the fine
> > mesh of the vacuum's filter, the "air flow" diminishes due to dust
> > blocking the little pores. So a vacuum cleaner is not usable.
>
> > This was a total lie, as was easy to demonstrate with my vacuum which
> > has its bag 2/3 full already. It still sucked well and produced a lot
> > of suction and air flow.
>
> > 3. Vacuums blow dust around and increase amount of dust.
>
> > I cannot say that it is false, for sure, but the 2.3 full bag in our
> > vacuum attests that it traps at least some dust. Plus, it does have a
> > HEPA filter.
>
> > She did some acrobatics by taking out the HEPA filter, which had some
> > dust on the back, kind of mashed it in her hands a little and put
> > back, -- then when the vacuum turned on, a lot of dust was indeed
> > blown out.
>
> > 4. Then there were some demonstrations that Rainbow would still pick
> > up dust after vacuuming with a Sears vacuum, which could possibly be
> > true but I think that she cheated a bit by going outside the area that
> > I actually vacuumed, a bit -- it is kind of hard to tell, I think so
> > but my spouse is not so sure.
>
> > 5. She made some claims about infections that her system prevented,
> > which went somewhat over my head but overall I was not sure if it was
> > not complete bunk.
"Our youngest son tried selling them years ago as his first sales job.
Learned a lot! Had to sell a minimum of 5 a month, I think, in order
to get any commission. He sold 4, including one to his Grandparents.
He practiced his sales pitch on us, but we didn't buy. Yes, they work
and work really well, but hauling the bowl of black water to the
toilet at the end of a job didn't strike me as very desirable. He quit
after 4 sales, having learned same valuable lessons, particularly how
scams work.

By the way, the Grandparents let theirs set for months with water
still in it and next time they went to use it, the motor was rusted
tight. There, some actual metal content!

Paul

>
> > We did not purchase this system in the end, but I wanted to hear some
> > opinions on this stuff.
>
> > i
>
> I sold them briefly over 25 years ago. they are a good product that is
> overpriced with a scam of a marketing system. I starved for a few weeks
> then got a job
>
> Lessee.
>
> I want to talk to you today about air pollution, not outdoor air
> pollution, but indoor air pollution......



Posted by Jeff Wisnia on April 27, 2007, 3:40 pm


co_farmer@yahoo.com wrote:

<snipped>
>
> "Our youngest son tried selling them years ago as his first sales job.
> Learned a lot! Had to sell a minimum of 5 a month, I think, in order
> to get any commission. He sold 4, including one to his Grandparents.
> He practiced his sales pitch on us, but we didn't buy. Yes, they work
> and work really well, but hauling the bowl of black water to the
> toilet at the end of a job didn't strike me as very desirable. He quit
> after 4 sales, having learned same valuable lessons, particularly how
> scams work.
>

There are lots and lots of people who got conned into becoming insurance
salespersons who give up after they made two or three sales to relatives
and found the rest of the world isn't quite as easy to pitch insurance too.

Jeff (Who removed RCM from the "To" address list for this reply. <G>)

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.


Posted by Steve on April 27, 2007, 6:35 pm



Dunno, I guess some folks like them, or maybe ya just gotta