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Incandescent Bulb Ban -- Motion Detector Fixtures, Poto cell fixtures and other exotic applications jJim McLaughlin 01-18-2008
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Posted by jJim McLaughlin on January 18, 2008, 11:44 am
AIUI, Congress in its infinite wisdom has enacted something which within
some
period of years will effectively ban the manufacture / sale within the
US of the
traditional incandescent light bulb, requiring replacment with various
"flavors" of
fluorescents or diode or other bulbs.

In that regard, I have had a few questions come up in my mind based on
experiences
I have had wih non incandescent bulbs. I am seeking your opinons on
(and specific
brand / model #s of) possible replacement non incandescent bulbs in the
following
applicaions:

1. Outdoor Motion Detector Fixtures.

        A. I have six (6) of these in various locations around my house. Five
are for
pairs of the standard "flood light" type incandescent bulbs. They all
work fine with incandescent
bulbs. Not a single one will work at all when I replace the
incandescent bulbs with
outdoor fluorescent bulbs. What fluorescents or other non
incandecents will actually
work in this type of fixture?

Note: All grounds are "good" on all 5 fixtures. "Hots" are wired
to hot inside boxes, and neutrals are wired to neutral in all boxes.

        B. I have one motion detector fixture in a sheltered covered walkway
which
uses a pair of the very small quartz / halogen bulbs. What fluorescents
or other non incandecents will actually
work in this type of fixture?

2. Outdoor Photocell Fixture. I have one outdoor photocell fixture
which uses a pair
of the standard outdoor incandescent flood lights. When I replace the
pair of incandescent
floods with outdoor fluorescents the fixture will not function.

Again, in this fixture, the ground is "good" and the "hot" is wired to
hot inside the
box, and neutral is wired to neutral in the box.

What fluorescents or other non incandecents will actually
work in this type of fixture?

3. Appliance bulbs. While I have not yet tried to replace any of
these, there are
incandescent bulbs in the big upright freezer; the freezer part of the
side by side
refrgerator; the refrigerator itself; the electric oven, and the microwave.

While these are all very brief intermittant use applicaions and not really
the kind of application consuming a lot of power, I don't see an
exemption in the
legislation for these types of incandescent bulbs.

Has anyone already seen a non incandescent bulb for appliance applications?

        Over the last 10 years or so I have replaced every incandescent bulb in the
house with a fluorescent bulb. My KWH cosumption has gone down a lot,
but the
constant rate increases by Portland General Electric (PGE) have wiped
out any actual
dollar savings on my monthly bill or the reduced KWH consumption for

        I am not interested in your opinions as to whether banning incandescet
bulbs
is or is not good public policy. I'm just trying to get info on what
bulbs work in
specific locations / applicatons / fixtures.

Thank you.

Posted by Paul M. Eldridge on January 18, 2008, 1:21 pm
Hi Jim,

Not to worry, you won't be left in the dark. Halogen lamps and a new,
forthcoming generation of high-efficiency incandescent (HEI) lamps are
direct, one-to-one, replacements for conventional, general service
incandescents.

For more information on GE's HEI announcement, see:
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070223005120&newsLang=en

Also, to be clear, incandescent lamps will not be "banned" as such;
rather, the least efficient ones will be removed for the marketplace,
similar to what took place with past legislation (e.g., EPAct, 1992).
Congress is proposing that the ones we use today be 25 to 30 per cent
more efficient by 2012 (100-watt lamps by 2012, 60-watt by 2013 and
40-watt by 2014).

Philips has a line of products that already meet this new standard;
e.g., their 70-watt Halogená Energy Saver produces the same amount of
light as a regular 100-watt bulb and lasts up to four times longer
(3,000 hours versus 750).

See:
http://www.nam.lighting.philips.com/us/pressroom/10-30-07a.php

and

http://www.nam.lighting.philips.com/us/ecatalog/halogen/pdf/p-5901.pdf

Cheers,
Paul

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:44:01 -0800, jJim McLaughlin

>AIUI, Congress in its infinite wisdom has enacted something which within
>some period of years will effectively ban the manufacture / sale within the
>US of the traditional incandescent light bulb, requiring replacment with
various
>"flavors" of >fluorescents or diode or other bulbs....

Posted by Mike Dobony on January 18, 2008, 5:16 pm
Paul M. Eldridge wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Not to worry, you won't be left in the dark. Halogen lamps and a new,
> forthcoming generation of high-efficiency incandescent (HEI) lamps are
> direct, one-to-one, replacements for conventional, general service
> incandescents.
>
> For more information on GE's HEI announcement, see:
>
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070223005120&newsLang=en
>
> Also, to be clear, incandescent lamps will not be "banned" as such;
> rather, the least efficient ones will be removed for the marketplace,
> similar to what took place with past legislation (e.g., EPAct, 1992).
> Congress is proposing that the ones we use today be 25 to 30 per cent
> more efficient by 2012 (100-watt lamps by 2012, 60-watt by 2013 and
> 40-watt by 2014).
>

Explain the difference.

> Philips has a line of products that already meet this new standard;
> e.g., their 70-watt Halogená Energy Saver produces the same amount of
> light as a regular 100-watt bulb and lasts up to four times longer
> (3,000 hours versus 750).
>
> See:
> http://www.nam.lighting.philips.com/us/pressroom/10-30-07a.php
>
> and
>
> http://www.nam.lighting.philips.com/us/ecatalog/halogen/pdf/p-5901.pdf
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
>
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:44:01 -0800, jJim McLaughlin
>
>> AIUI, Congress in its infinite wisdom has enacted something which within
>> some period of years will effectively ban the manufacture / sale within the
>> US of the traditional incandescent light bulb, requiring replacment with
various
>> "flavors" of >fluorescents or diode or other bulbs....

Posted by Paul M. Eldridge on January 18, 2008, 5:37 pm
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:16:55 -0600, Mike Dobony

>Paul M. Eldridge wrote:
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Not to worry, you won't be left in the dark. Halogen lamps and a new,
>> forthcoming generation of high-efficiency incandescent (HEI) lamps are
>> direct, one-to-one, replacements for conventional, general service
>> incandescents.
>>
>> For more information on GE's HEI announcement, see:
>>
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070223005120&newsLang=en
>>
>> Also, to be clear, incandescent lamps will not be "banned" as such;
>> rather, the least efficient ones will be removed for the marketplace,
>> similar to what took place with past legislation (e.g., EPAct, 1992).
>> Congress is proposing that the ones we use today be 25 to 30 per cent
>> more efficient by 2012 (100-watt lamps by 2012, 60-watt by 2013 and
>> 40-watt by 2014).
>>
>
>Explain the difference.

Sorry, Mike, I'm not sure I understand your question. The difference
between an incandescent/halogen lamp that provides "X" number of
lumens per watt versus one that provides 25 to 30 per cent more?

Cheers,
Paul

Posted by Wayne Boatwright on January 18, 2008, 2:29 pm
On Fri 18 Jan 2008 09:44:01a, jJim McLaughlin told us...

> AIUI, Congress in its infinite wisdom has enacted something which within
> some
> period of years will effectively ban the manufacture / sale within the
> US of the
> traditional incandescent light bulb, requiring replacment with various
> "flavors" of
> fluorescents or diode or other bulbs.
>
> In that regard, I have had a few questions come up in my mind based on
> experiences
> I have had wih non incandescent bulbs. I am seeking your opinons on
> (and specific
> brand / model #s of) possible replacement non incandescent bulbs in the
> following
> applicaions:
>
> 1. Outdoor Motion Detector Fixtures.
>
> A. I have six (6) of these in various locations around my house.
> Five
> are for
> pairs of the standard "flood light" type incandescent bulbs. They all
> work fine with incandescent
> bulbs. Not a single one will work at all when I replace the
> incandescent bulbs with
> outdoor fluorescent bulbs. What fluorescents or other non
> incandecents will actually
> work in this type of fixture?
>
> Note: All grounds are "good" on all 5 fixtures. "Hots" are wired
> to hot inside boxes, and neutrals are wired to neutral in all boxes.
>
> B. I have one motion detector fixture in a sheltered covered
> walkway
> which
> uses a pair of the very small quartz / halogen bulbs. What fluorescents
> or other non incandecents will actually
> work in this type of fixture?
>
> 2. Outdoor Photocell Fixture. I have one outdoor photocell fixture
> which uses a pair
> of the standard outdoor incandescent flood lights. When I replace the
> pair of incandescent
> floods with outdoor fluorescents the fixture will not function.
>
> Again, in this fixture, the ground is "good" and the "hot" is wired to
> hot inside the
> box, and neutral is wired to neutral in the box.
>
> What fluorescents or other non incandecents will actually
> work in this type of fixture?
>
> 3. Appliance bulbs. While I have not yet tried to replace any of
> these, there are
> incandescent bulbs in the big upright freezer; the freezer part of the
> side by side
> refrgerator; the refrigerator itself; the electric oven, and the
> microwave.
>
> While these are all very brief intermittant use applicaions and not
> really the kind of application consuming a lot of power, I don't see an
> exemption in the
> legislation for these types of incandescent bulbs.
>
> Has anyone already seen a non incandescent bulb for appliance
> applications?
>
> Over the last 10 years or so I have replaced every incandescent
> bulb in the
> house with a fluorescent bulb. My KWH cosumption has gone down a lot,
> but the
> constant rate increases by Portland General Electric (PGE) have wiped
> out any actual
> dollar savings on my monthly bill or the reduced KWH consumption for
>
> I am not interested in your opinions as to whether banning
> incandescet
> bulbs
> is or is not good public policy. I'm just trying to get info on what
> bulbs work in
> specific locations / applicatons / fixtures.
>
> Thank you.
>

I've basically done what you've done in replacing all possible incandescent
bulbs with comparable output CFLs. In my case, though, there are instances
where the bulbs themselves are part of the decorative feature of the
fixture and I refuse to replace them with an unattractive CFL of any ilk.
What I've done is stockpile replacements that will probably outlast me. :-)

I'm sure that going forward there will be fixture of a type comparable to
what you have that will work with CFLs. In the meantine, I would highly
recommend stashing as many incandescent and halogen bulbs away as you think
you'll need until that time comes.

I don't see any other realistic alternatives.,


--
Wayne Boatwright

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