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Incandescent Bulb Ban -- Motion Detector Fixtures, Poto cell fixtures and other exotic applications jJim McLaughlin 01-18-2008
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Posted by Clot on January 18, 2008, 6:47 pm
jJim McLaughlin wrote:
> terry wrote:
>> On Jan 19, 12:24 am, t...@mucks.net wrote:
>>
>>>> 1. Outdoor Motion Detector Fixtures.
>>>
>>>> A. I have six (6) of these in various locations around my house.
>>>> Five are for
>>>> pairs of the standard "flood light" type incandescent bulbs. They
>>>> all work fine with incandescent
>>>> bulbs. Not a single one will work at all when I replace the
>>>> incandescent bulbs with
>>>> outdoor fluorescent bulbs.
>>>
>>> I don't understand why they wouldn't work unless it's just too cold
>>> for the fluorescents to start up.
>>
<snip>

>
> I'm confused Terry.
>
> Your E mail addy tells me ou are in canada.
>
> I'm not sure how the US legislation will impact you.
>
> Surelythe folks in Ottowa are not followig tose in DC?

Probably. Here in the EU we are proposing to do similar to similar
timescales!



Posted by Clot on January 18, 2008, 6:44 pm
terry wrote:
> On Jan 19, 12:24 am, t...@mucks.net wrote:
>>> 1. Outdoor Motion Detector Fixtures.
>>
>>> A. I have six (6) of these in various locations around my house.
>>> Five are for
>>> pairs of the standard "flood light" type incandescent bulbs. They
>>> all work fine with incandescent
>>> bulbs. Not a single one will work at all when I replace the
>>> incandescent bulbs with
>>> outdoor fluorescent bulbs.
>>
>> I don't understand why they wouldn't work unless it's just too cold
>> for the fluorescents to start up.
>
<snip>
>
> I have to agree with the OP, regulations should not be made that will
> cause problesm with existing hardware.

I don't think they will.

>
<snip>

>
> Using CFLs outside does make sense; any 'wasted' heat out there merely
> heats the night air! But so far our experience with fairly cheap CFLs
> in temperatures down to about minus 10 C has not been too good. My
> neighbour has used them but I notice he retains one or two
> incandescents near his front door; maybe doesn't want to get sued if
> someone stumbles?

I've used two CFLs (11 watts) outside for years with no problem to ease
access for visitors and constant dusk to dawn illumination of our cars in
the drive to deter possible thefts.
>
> This CFL business is a good ide perhaps for an instance saving/
> reduction in electcity consumption in some cases but not everyone
> should be jumping on the bandwagon without understanding the number.
>
> BTW just drove into this small Arabian Gulf capital city at night,
> over 50 miles of highway, light traffic, brightly lit with double lamp
> standard every couple of hundred feet. All electricity here generated
> by burning fossil fuel; hell they pump it and refine it! Gasoline at
> the pumps here is 23 cents per litre, about one dollar per US gallon.
> Hundreds of miles of highways and roads with street lamps burning all
> night, around the world; much of the electrcity generated by oil,
> coal, etc. Why?????
>
On the Right side of The Pond, our gas costs $2.10 per UK gallon!



Posted by Clot on January 18, 2008, 7:07 pm
Clot wrote:
> terry wrote:
>> On Jan 19, 12:24 am, t...@mucks.net wrote:
>>>> 1. Outdoor Motion Detector Fixtures.
>>>
>>>> A. I have six (6) of these in various locations around my house.
>>>> Five are for
>>>> pairs of the standard "flood light" type incandescent bulbs. They
>>>> all work fine with incandescent
>>>> bulbs. Not a single one will work at all when I replace the
>>>> incandescent bulbs with
>>>> outdoor fluorescent bulbs.
>>>
>>> I don't understand why they wouldn't work unless it's just too cold
>>> for the fluorescents to start up.
>>
> <snip>
>>
>> I have to agree with the OP, regulations should not be made that will
>> cause problesm with existing hardware.
>
> I don't think they will.
>
>>
> <snip>
>
>>
>> Using CFLs outside does make sense; any 'wasted' heat out there
>> merely heats the night air! But so far our experience with fairly
>> cheap CFLs in temperatures down to about minus 10 C has not been too
>> good. My neighbour has used them but I notice he retains one or two
>> incandescents near his front door; maybe doesn't want to get sued if
>> someone stumbles?
>
> I've used two CFLs (11 watts) outside for years with no problem to
> ease access for visitors and constant dusk to dawn illumination of
> our cars in the drive to deter possible thefts.
>>
>> This CFL business is a good ide perhaps for an instance saving/
>> reduction in electcity consumption in some cases but not everyone
>> should be jumping on the bandwagon without understanding the number.
>>
>> BTW just drove into this small Arabian Gulf capital city at night,
>> over 50 miles of highway, light traffic, brightly lit with double
>> lamp standard every couple of hundred feet. All electricity here
>> generated by burning fossil fuel; hell they pump it and refine it!
>> Gasoline at the pumps here is 23 cents per litre, about one dollar
>> per US gallon. Hundreds of miles of highways and roads with street
>> lamps burning all night, around the world; much of the electrcity
>> generated by oil, coal, etc. Why?????
>>
> On the Right side of The Pond, our gas costs $2.10 per UK gallon!

AArrgg! Just realised I missed a bit out on the calc. $9.50 per UK gallon -
I'd forgotten to convert litres to gallons!



Posted by on January 18, 2008, 8:08 pm
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:13:01 -0800 (PST), terry

>On Jan 19, 12:24 am, t...@mucks.net wrote:
>> >1. Outdoor Motion Detector Fixtures.
>>
>> >    A. I have six (6) of these in various locations around my house.  Five
>> >are for
>> >  pairs of the standard "flood light" type incandescent bulbs.  They all
>> >work fine with incandescent
>> >  bulbs.  Not a single one will work at all when I replace the
>> >incandescent bulbs with
>> >  outdoor fluorescent bulbs.  
>>
>> I don't understand why they wouldn't work unless it's just too cold for
>> the fluorescents to start up.
>
>Question: Is it because the sensor that detects, motion and/or whether
>it is daytime or night requires a certain (although small) amount of
>current flow through the lamps to operate correctly while waiting to
>turn on the lamps?

No. As far as I know the two circuits are not tied together this way.


Posted by Jim Yanik on January 18, 2008, 11:01 pm

> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:13:01 -0800 (PST), terry
>
>>On Jan 19, 12:24 am, t...@mucks.net wrote:
>>> >1. Outdoor Motion Detector Fixtures.
>>>
>>> >    A. I have six (6) of these in various locations around my
>>> > house.  Five
>>> >are for
>>> >  pairs of the standard "flood light" type incandescent bulbs.
>>> >  They all
>>> >work fine with incandescent
>>> >  bulbs.  Not a single one will work at all when I replace the
>>> >incandescent bulbs with
>>> >  outdoor fluorescent bulbs.  
>>>
>>> I don't understand why they wouldn't work unless it's just too cold
>>> for the fluorescents to start up.
>>
>>Question: Is it because the sensor that detects, motion and/or whether
>>it is daytime or night requires a certain (although small) amount of
>>current flow through the lamps to operate correctly while waiting to
>>turn on the lamps?

How can there be a current flow through the lamp if it's not turned on?
WHY would there be a current flow for an OFF lamp?
>
> No. As far as I know the two circuits are not tied together this way.
>
>

every fluorescent is going to have some "resistance"(impedance) anyways.
the electronic "ballasts" used today have an impedance.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

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