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Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban Don Klipstein 04-27-2008
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Posted by Don Klipstein on April 27, 2008, 7:49 pm
There is now a retail-available incandescent that has enough energy
efficiency to get around the upcoming 2012-2014 ban until 2020.

Thanks to Paul M. Eldridge for mentioning this in article
"candlelight thread" on April 19th!

These are truly incandescent lamps producing about 90-91% as much light
for 70% as much electricity, in comparison to the highest light output
grades of standard incandescents. Light output is fully on par with soft
white ones that have life expectancy extended to 1500 hours. These
improved incandescents have rated life expectancy of 3,000 hours.

They look like soft white incandescents, both while off and while on.
They actually are incandescent, specifically a variation of the halogen
lamp known as "HIR". They gain energy efficiency by using an
infrared-reflecting coating on the inner surface of the inner halogen
capsule.

Despite being halogen, they are rated to be fully dimmable. Just don't
expect dimming to increase their life as much as dimming increases life of
non-halogen incandescents, since halogens have an extra aging mechanism
that is slowed to a lesser extent by dimming (filament end notching).

Their color, spectrum and color rendering properties are
incandescent-like. The color is more greenish than conventional
incandescent to an extent so small that I usually cannot see this, even
side-by-side against a conventional incandescent while looking for this.
The color difference is of a scale that I have seen between different
conventional incandescents of same color temperature but different
filament winding styles and maybe different tungsten grades. The HIR
lamps definitely *do not* have anywhere near even halfway a "gas mantle"
extent of being greenish.

I just got some at Home Depot a couple hours ago. They are Philips
Halogena "energy saver".

The 70 watt one produces 1600 lumens (22.9 lumens/watt) and the 40 watt
one produces 800 lumens (20 lumens/watt).

Efficiency is improved over conventional incandescent, but is still only
around 35-40% of that of better compact fluorescents.

Since these are halogen lamps, they should have at least some regular
use with being on long enough to fully warm up to keep the "halogen cycle"
chemical process in the inner capsule working properly (as opposed to
being used only briefly). Because of this and their cost, I would rather
not use these in closet lights, refrigerator lights and motion sensor
lights - those applications are where conventional incandescent is plenty
good.

Where I would recommend these: Other locations where compact
fluorescents are not acceptable due to warmup time, performance with
dimmers, temperature often being far from ideal for CFL, or in fixtures
where CFLs equal to 100 watt incandescent tend to overheat. These
should also be good where there is a critical color or color rendering
requirement that no CFL can meet (whether in fact or by fiat or in
someone's head), or for those who have big problems with disposable
built-in electronic ballasts or with lightbulbs having even 3 milligrams
of mercury.

Since these cost $5 per 2-pack and most ordinary spiral CFLs now cost no
more and also last longer and have at least twice the energy efficiency of
these improved incandescents, I still say use CFL where you can.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

Posted by hallerb@aol.com on April 27, 2008, 8:01 pm
On Apr 27, 7:49=EF=BF=BDpm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> =EF=BF=BD There is now a retail-available incandescent that has enough ene=
rgy
> efficiency to get around the upcoming 2012-2014 ban until 2020.
>
> =EF=BF=BD Thanks to Paul M. Eldridge for mentioning this in article
> "candlelight thread" on April 19th!
>
> =EF=BF=BD These are truly incandescent lamps producing about 90-91% as muc=
h light
> for 70% as much electricity, in comparison to the highest light output
> grades of standard incandescents. =EF=BF=BDLight output is fully on par wi=
th soft
> white ones that have life expectancy extended to 1500 hours. =EF=BF=BDThes=
e
> improved incandescents have rated life expectancy of 3,000 hours.
>
> =EF=BF=BD They look like soft white incandescents, both while off and whil=
e on. =EF=BF=BD
> They actually are incandescent, specifically a variation of the halogen
> lamp known as "HIR". =EF=BF=BDThey gain energy efficiency by using an
> infrared-reflecting coating on the inner surface of the inner halogen
> capsule.
>
> =EF=BF=BD Despite being halogen, they are rated to be fully dimmable. =EF=
=BF=BDJust don't
> expect dimming to increase their life as much as dimming increases life of=

> non-halogen incandescents, since halogens have an extra aging mechanism
> that is slowed to a lesser extent by dimming (filament end notching).
>
> =EF=BF=BD Their color, spectrum and color rendering properties are
> incandescent-like. =EF=BF=BDThe color is more greenish than conventional
> incandescent to an extent so small that I usually cannot see this, even
> side-by-side against a conventional incandescent while looking for this. =
=EF=BF=BD
> The color difference is of a scale that I have seen between different
> conventional incandescents of same color temperature but different
> filament winding styles and maybe different tungsten grades. =EF=BF=BDThe =
HIR
> lamps definitely *do not* have anywhere near even halfway a "gas mantle"
> extent of being greenish.
>
> =EF=BF=BD I just got some at Home Depot a couple hours ago. =EF=BF=BDThey =
are Philips
> Halogena "energy saver".
>
> =EF=BF=BD The 70 watt one produces 1600 lumens (22.9 lumens/watt) and the =
40 watt
> one produces 800 lumens (20 lumens/watt).
>
> =EF=BF=BD Efficiency is improved over conventional incandescent, but is st=
ill only
> around 35-40% of that of better compact fluorescents.
>
> =EF=BF=BD Since these are halogen lamps, they should have at least some re=
gular
> use with being on long enough to fully warm up to keep the "halogen cycle"=

> chemical process in the inner capsule working properly (as opposed to
> being used only briefly). =EF=BF=BDBecause of this and their cost, I would=
rather
> not use these in closet lights, refrigerator lights and motion sensor
> lights - those applications are where conventional incandescent is plenty
> good.
>
> =EF=BF=BD Where I would recommend these: =EF=BF=BDOther locations where co=
mpact
> fluorescents are not acceptable due to warmup time, performance with
> dimmers, temperature often being far from ideal for CFL, or in fixtures
> where CFLs equal to 100 watt incandescent tend to overheat. =EF=BF=BDThese=

> should also be good where there is a critical color or color rendering
> requirement that no CFL can meet (whether in fact or by fiat or in
> someone's head), or for those who have big problems with disposable
> built-in electronic ballasts or with lightbulbs having even 3 milligrams
> of mercury.
>
> =EF=BF=BD Since these cost $5 per 2-pack and most ordinary spiral CFLs now=
cost no
> more and also last longer and have at least twice the energy efficiency of=

> these improved incandescents, I still say use CFL where you can.
>
> =EF=BF=BD- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)

one can buy cases of regular lamps, before the ban becomes
effective....

stored unused they should last forever

Posted by S. Barker on April 27, 2008, 8:44 pm
What's this bs about a ban? I've not kept up with the messages.

s


> There is now a retail-available incandescent that has enough energy
> efficiency to get around the upcoming 2012-2014 ban until 2020.
>



Posted by Don Klipstein on April 27, 2008, 10:01 pm

>What's this bs about a ban? I've not kept up with the messages.

A recently enacted piece of USA Federal legislation bans manufacture,
sale and importation of certain incandescent lamps, starting in 2012.

"General purpose" incandescent lamps of a certain range of light output
and failing to achieve some specific standard of energy efficiency will be
banned in 2012. This will include 100 and 75 watt "regular"
incandescents. In 2014, this will expand to include 60 and 40 watt
"regular" incandescents that fail to meet that level of energy efficiency.

The "usual regular" incandescents of 75-100 watts will be banned in 2012
and the "usual regular" incandescents of 40-60 watts will be banned in
2014.

The improved incandescents that Paul Eldridge and I mentioned have
sufficient energy efficiency to not be affected until 2020 according to
this law.

GE is planning to put similar ones on the market in 2010.

"Specialty" incandescents are largely not affected. Paul Eldridge
posted a list of unaffected ones in the "candlelight thread" in
alt.home.repair on April 20 in article

That one can be viewed via Google (along with 24 other articles in the
"candlelight thread" of at least 104 articles) by going to:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.home.repair/browse_thread/thread/
695cb5879218f939/b9f8c930e2f6a64e?hl=en&

That article also mentions availability at Home Depot of incandescents
that have sufficient energy efficiency to not be banned in 2012-2014.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

Posted by Dennis M on April 28, 2008, 11:50 pm
Klipstein) wrote:

>
>>What's this bs about a ban? I've not kept up with the messages.
>
> A recently enacted piece of USA Federal legislation bans manufacture,
>sale and importation of certain incandescent lamps, starting in 2012.

Some (Republican) congresswoman introduced a bill last week to scale back
on that legislation and force Uncle Sam to keep its big nose out of
people's lightbulbs. I hope it goes through.

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