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Posted by krw on May 4, 2008, 6:15 pm
In article <d781eac8-bb27-4d3c-931f-
23991041876b@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, Mark_Ransley@yahoo.com=20
says...
> > jeff@spam_me_not.com says...
> >
> > > krw wrote:
> > > > jeff@spam_me_not.com says...
> > > >> krw wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > >>> I'm not about to use CFLs anywhere I spend any time.
> > > >> =A0 =A0And, why not?
> >
> > > > Primarily because I can't stand the light and they're too slow to
> > > > turn on where I don't care about the light.
> >
> > > >> =A0 I'm not about
> > > >>> to replace all my fixtures either.
> > > >> Why would you have to?
> >
> > > > CFLs aren't for many fixtures. =A0They do get hot and the electroni=
cs
> > > > doesn't like it. =A0You have a lot to learn, my boy.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0Not as much as you.
> >
> > I'm sure IKYABWAI is the best argument you can come up with.
> >
> > > =A0 There's other alternatives (at a higher cost) for the heat hell h=
oles
> > > you mention. Personally, I've never liked or used recessed lighting.
> >
> > I do, but I'm not forcing you to have them.
> >
> > > Most of them are big leaks in a homes thermal envelope, but you haven=
't
> > > impressed me as caring much about conservation, just consumption.
> >
> > Nonsense. =A0How does a thermal leak occur between floors? =A0If idiots=
,
> > like you, design houses all sorts of stupid things are likely to
> > happen.
> >
> > > >> =A0 A case of bulbs here, and a case
> > > >>> there...
> >
> > > >>>> =A0 I'd still like to use R12, but the switchover did close the =
ozone
> > > >>>> hole. Remember that?
> > > >>> Oh, good grief!
> > > >> I suppose you are still questioning evolution? And global warming?
> >
> > > > Don't be an ass.
> >
> > > Don't be a flunky.
> >
> > Hardly a fluky, ass.
> >
> > > >>>> =A0 =A0Sometimes you have to do something because it has a far g=
reater benefit.
> > > >>> Someimes you just have to be a good little sheep, eh Komrad?
> > > >> Look whose calling who a sheep?
> >
> > > > You *are* a perfect example of a sheep, who likes it when the man
> > > > from Washington bends you over. =A0I bet you really love those 1.6g=
al
> > > > toilets.
> >
> > > You've been listening to way too much wingnut radio/tv. Such is right
> > > wing opinion in that it is all opinion and no facts. Just insult anyo=
ne
> > > who disagrees. Don't let reality get in the way.
> >
> > Absolutely the truth, which your "argument" falls well short of
> > addressing.
> >
> > > BTW, I have an old fashioned toilet because I live in an old house, b=
ut
> > > have no objection to the new design toilets. The new ones work, as
> > > opposed to the first generation.
> >
> > You like to spout government lies. =A0I have a set of "new" ones. =A0
> > They don't. =A0
> >
> > > =A0 =A0You'd have thought that congress would have thought up
> > > > something larger, given their needs.
> >
> > > >> Sometimes it pays not to be a sheep and blindly believe all that h=
orse
> > > >> manure W has been dishing out for the last 7 years. I'd say lemmin=
g is a
> > > >> more appropriate term.
> >
> > > > Don't be an idiot. =A0I know it's hard work to think, but try it
> > > > anyway.
> >
> > > You seem to think we can just keep living the way we do now. I'm sure
> > > the Mayans felt the same way as they gobbled up all the available res=
ources.
> >
> > There are a *lot* of things we can do and will have to do. =A0Having
> > government (or you) force change for changes sake is asinine. =A0
> > Choice is a good thing. =A0The market will decide the matters soon
> > enough without government screwing up the economy.
> >
> > > >> =A0 =A0The tungsten light bulb has been around almost 100 years.
> >
> > > > The planet has been around a tad longer than that and is still
> > > > useful.
> >
> > > >> There's
> > > >> nothing else we use that comes anywhere near being as inefficient.
> >
> > > > Now, don't add lies to your list of sins, junior.
> >
> > > Name a common appliance that is less efficient. The only thing in the
> > > same ballpark is the common loudspeaker, but their drain on the grid =
is
> > > minor.
> >
> > Define efficient. =A0Televisions. =A0Toasters. =A0
> >
> > > >> The
> > > >> common light bulb rings in at about 5%. It doesn't have great colo=
r
> > > >> rendition unless corrected in which case it has a shorter life or =
is
> > > >> even less efficient, it runs up the heat load in summer, it has a
> > > >> terrible lifespan... The only real advantage it has is that it is =
cheap.
> > > >> But not cheap when you consider the lifespan or the energy it uses=
.
> >
> > > > Tungsten lights have far better color rendition than most CFLs.
> >
> > > =A0 It's hard to call 2800K, good color rendition.
> >
> > It's hard to call halogens, 2800K.
> >
> > > > Halogens (which I use almost exclusively), even better.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0A few hundred degrees hotter.
> >
> > Stupid.
> >
> >
> >
> > > =A0 There are excellent color balanced CFLs available, suitable for
> > > viewing and judging color balance in photography. Much better than th=
e
> > > short lived photo floods. Certainly better than the common incandesce=
nt
> > > or your halogens.
> >
> > They all suck. =A0I've tried them, and relegated them to the basement
> > (when I had one). =A0I own none now because I hate them.
> >
> > > >> =A0 =A0But hey, if you guys love your 100 year old design 100 Watt=
bulbs. I
> > > >> don't happen to have your emotional attachment.
> >
> > > > If that's your best argument, hang up your spurs, kid.
> >
> > > I don't understand your problem. No one is taking away your specialty
> > > halogen lights. All we are talking about is the old edison based lamp=
s
> > > which should join the trash bin of obsolete technology.
> >
> > They aren't "specialty". =A0They have an Edison screw base, and come
> > in the standard sizes. =A0I have "standard" tungsten in some floor
> > lamps though and closets though. =A0I'll be buying a few hundred over
> > the next couple of years because you leftist loons are forcing your
> > religion on others, again.
> >
> > > >> =A0 =A0Jeff
> > > >>>> =A0 =A0Jeff
> >
> > > >>>> I have a sneaking suspicion the majority of Americans do
> > > >>>>> too.
> > > >>> Sheep? =A0Evidently...
> >
> > > > obviously
> >
> > Obviously.
> >
> > --
> > Keith
>=20
> krw check out a review of cfls at Popular Mechanics magazine, the new
Popular Mechanics? You mean that rag that had pictures of ion-
powered helicopters? I haven't picked up that waste of trees since=20
I was a kid.
> soft white are not what was out a few years ago, even by brand it
> different,
Of course, and you never know what you're buying. =20
> PM put a HD soft white at Par with incandesant.=20
Not that I care what PM would ever have to say...
> And putting
> in cans in my kitchen does now allow out alot of air by sidewall loss
> up to the attic.
Huh? =20
--=20
Keith
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