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Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban Don Klipstein 04-27-2008
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Posted by JR Weiss on May 5, 2008, 11:16 am
>
> Facts such as existence of plenty of 1.6 gallon/flush toilets that work
> as well as toilets ever did? I have seen plenty of those. Maybe you need
> some new toilets!
>
> Meanwhile, even the lousy ones of the 1.6 GPF toilets still only need
> one flush for a #1 load.

To retain a mote of on-topic-ness, I replaced the globe lights in my bathroom
with CFLs of unknown warmth several years ago. The fact that they do not go
full bright right away is a PLUS, IMO; I don't get blinded as badly at night
when I turn them on...

For good 1.6 gpf toilets, see the reviews at
http://www.terrylove.com/crtoilet.htm . I bought 2 Toto Drakes (then,
eventually, a third one) based on his recommendations. I have not had to
double-flush even once in 5+ years! They're reasonably quiet, too.



Posted by krw on May 5, 2008, 7:16 pm
says...
> >says...
> >> >jeff@spam_me_not.com says...
> >> >> krw wrote:
> >> >> > jeff@spam_me_not.com says...
> >>
> >>
> >> >> You've been listening to way too much wingnut radio/tv. Such is right
> >> >> wing opinion in that it is all opinion and no facts. Just insult anyone
> >> >> who disagrees. Don't let reality get in the way.
> >> >
> >> >Absolutely the truth, which your "argument" falls well short of
> >> >addressing.
> >> >
> >> >> BTW, I have an old fashioned toilet because I live in an old house, but
> >> >> have no objection to the new design toilets. The new ones work, as
> >> >> opposed to the first generation.
> >> >
> >> >You like to spout government lies. I have a set of "new" ones.
> >> >They don't.
> >>
> >> I see so many 1.6 gallon/flush toilets nowadays that work as well as
> >> toilets ever did.
> >
> >I have two that need three flushes or they plug first.
> >
> >> This does have an effect on my consideration as to
> >> which side I would call a liar!
> >
> >Of course you say that, without facts. It doesn't fit your narrow
> >view of the world.
>
> Facts such as existence of plenty of 1.6 gallon/flush toilets that work
> as well as toilets ever did?

Those "facts" are certainly *NOT* in existence.

> I have seen plenty of those. Maybe you need
> some new toilets!

Perhaps I should tell my landlord.

> Meanwhile, even the lousy ones of the 1.6 GPF toilets still only need
> one flush for a #1 load.

And three or four (and a plunger) for anything else.


--
Keith

Posted by max on May 5, 2008, 8:07 pm

> says...
> > >says...
> > >> >jeff@spam_me_not.com says...
> > >> >> krw wrote:
> > >> >> > jeff@spam_me_not.com says...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >> You've been listening to way too much wingnut radio/tv. Such is right
> > >> >> wing opinion in that it is all opinion and no facts. Just insult
> > >> >> anyone
> > >> >> who disagrees. Don't let reality get in the way.
> > >> >
> > >> >Absolutely the truth, which your "argument" falls well short of
> > >> >addressing.
> > >> >
> > >> >> BTW, I have an old fashioned toilet because I live in an old house,
> > >> >> but
> > >> >> have no objection to the new design toilets. The new ones work, as
> > >> >> opposed to the first generation.
> > >> >
> > >> >You like to spout government lies. I have a set of "new" ones.
> > >> >They don't.
> > >>
> > >> I see so many 1.6 gallon/flush toilets nowadays that work as well as
> > >> toilets ever did.
> > >
> > >I have two that need three flushes or they plug first.
> > >
> > >> This does have an effect on my consideration as to
> > >> which side I would call a liar!
> > >
> > >Of course you say that, without facts. It doesn't fit your narrow
> > >view of the world.
> >
> > Facts such as existence of plenty of 1.6 gallon/flush toilets that work
> > as well as toilets ever did?
>
> Those "facts" are certainly *NOT* in existence.
>
> > I have seen plenty of those. Maybe you need
> > some new toilets!
>
> Perhaps I should tell my landlord.
>
> > Meanwhile, even the lousy ones of the 1.6 GPF toilets still only need
> > one flush for a #1 load.
>
> And three or four (and a plunger) for anything else.

really, this tells us a lot more about you (than we'd care to know!)
than the toilet...

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Posted by S. Barker on April 29, 2008, 10:51 pm
I remember no such thing. The hole in the ozone has been opening and
closing for centuries. And no refrigerant will EVER cool as well as R-12.
I also have a supply of that, and add to my systems as needed.


s


> Dennis M wrote:
>>
>>> Dennis M wrote:
>>>> Klipstein) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What's this bs about a ban? I've not kept up with the messages.
>>>>> A recently enacted piece of USA Federal legislation bans manufacture,
>>>>> sale and importation of certain incandescent lamps, starting in 2012.
>>>> Some (Republican) congresswoman introduced a bill last week to scale
>>>> back
>>>> on that legislation and force Uncle Sam to keep its big nose out of
>>>> people's lightbulbs. I hope it goes through.
>>>
>>> Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them
>>> with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs
>>> and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years
>>> for you hasn't it?
>>
>> Why don't you eat me, smartass. I use CFL bulbs in my home where they're
>> warranted, I just want the option to use incandescents in certain
>> situations also.
>
> You still have that option. Specialty and low wattage lamps are exempt.
> There's few places where an edison base lamp couldn't be replaced with one
> of the CFLs satisfactorily. It pays to not buy the cheap discount store
> CFLs. And as Don pointed out, you can buy the new halogens, which will
> certainly fall in price.
>
> I'd still like to use R12, but the switchover did close the ozone hole.
> Remember that?
>
> Sometimes you have to do something because it has a far greater benefit.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> I have a sneaking suspicion the majority of Americans do
>> too.



Posted by Jeff on April 30, 2008, 2:33 am
S. Barker wrote:
> I remember no such thing. The hole in the ozone has been opening and
> closing for centuries. And no refrigerant will EVER cool as well as R-12.


Propane/isobutane has identical properties, even being mineral oil
miscible, mix it 70/30, I believe. It's not like mineral oil filled R12
is not flammable. That and some of the "new" refrigerants are part
hydrocarbon.

If you want to toy with the mix a bit, you can beat R12 by 10 - 20%.

Jeff

> I also have a supply of that, and add to my systems as needed.
>
>
> s
>
>
>> Dennis M wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dennis M wrote:
>>>>> Klipstein) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's this bs about a ban? I've not kept up with the messages.
>>>>>> A recently enacted piece of USA Federal legislation bans manufacture,
>>>>>> sale and importation of certain incandescent lamps, starting in 2012.
>>>>> Some (Republican) congresswoman introduced a bill last week to scale
>>>>> back
>>>>> on that legislation and force Uncle Sam to keep its big nose out of
>>>>> people's lightbulbs. I hope it goes through.
>>>> Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them
>>>> with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs
>>>> and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years
>>>> for you hasn't it?
>>> Why don't you eat me, smartass. I use CFL bulbs in my home where they're
>>> warranted, I just want the option to use incandescents in certain
>>> situations also.
>> You still have that option. Specialty and low wattage lamps are exempt.
>> There's few places where an edison base lamp couldn't be replaced with one
>> of the CFLs satisfactorily. It pays to not buy the cheap discount store
>> CFLs. And as Don pointed out, you can buy the new halogens, which will
>> certainly fall in price.
>>
>> I'd still like to use R12, but the switchover did close the ozone hole.
>> Remember that?
>>
>> Sometimes you have to do something because it has a far greater benefit.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> I have a sneaking suspicion the majority of Americans do
>>> too.
>
>

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