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Inexpensive Paint Sprayer Photon713 06-04-2006
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Posted by J. Clarke on June 5, 2006, 12:14 pm
RicodJour wrote:

> J. Clarke wrote:
>> RicodJour wrote:
>> >
>> > Photon713 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Looking for an inexpensive, around $100, paint sprayer to
>> >> spray paint a pergola. I will be using a white latex outdoor paint.
>> >> Painting by brush would take forever. Spray painting is the only
>> >> viable option. Anyone have a recommendation?
>> >
>> > You still have to brush the paint out, or should, to insure that all
>> > cracks, crevices and voids are filled with paint. Otherwise those
>> > points will fail sooner and you'll be painting again earlier than you
>> > should.
>>
>> This is kind of defeating the purpose of spraying. If you have to brush
>> out a sprayed finish you did something wrong.
>
> I'm not convinced that spraying is the way to go in the first place.
> It would depend entirely on the configuration. Take a look at this
> picture:
>
http://www.prontocasagiardino.com/img/strutture_legno_pergola_autoportante.jpg
> You can't spray that without brushing out. This one
> http://www.dreamingcreek.com/Images/outdoor/outdoor3-1.jpg you could
> spray, but you'd still need a brush in a few places.

I can't see where there would be any difficulty with spraying either of them
with airless.

>> > For a cheapie paint sprayer you can use a 2 1/2 gallon compression pump
>> > sprayer, thin the paint a bit and brush it out.
>>
>> Maybe that's your problem. A hand-pumped sprayer is _not_ a substitute
>> for HVLP or high pressure airless.
>
> No kidding? I'm sure you're not suggesting that a beginner with no
> experience spraying will be able to spray a drip and run free finish
> the first time out of the gate, right?

Are you suggesting that a beginner with no experience would be able to brush
one? Takes more skill to do a good job with a brush than with a sprayer.

> When all things are factored in - time, expense, cleaning time, ease of
> operation - using two rollers (9" and 3") and a brush would probably be
> the best choice for the OP. Since the OP is convinced that spraying is
> the only option, and he doesn't want to spend any money, I tossed out
> the compression sprayer.
>
> The OP asked for a low cost sprayer and the Wagner things suck. The
> compression sprayer is useful for a bunch of other things and is about
> as cheap as it gets. It obviously won't spray a finish comparable to a
> pro tool, but it will get the paint where he needs it.

So will the cheap Wagner that you denigrate. And it's likely to do a far
better job than something intended to spray weed killer.

--
--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Posted by RicodJour on June 5, 2006, 1:32 pm
J. Clarke wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
>
> > J. Clarke wrote:
> >> RicodJour wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Photon713 wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Looking for an inexpensive, around $100, paint sprayer to
> >> >> spray paint a pergola. I will be using a white latex outdoor paint.
> >> >> Painting by brush would take forever. Spray painting is the only
> >> >> viable option. Anyone have a recommendation?
> >> >
> >> > You still have to brush the paint out, or should, to insure that all
> >> > cracks, crevices and voids are filled with paint. Otherwise those
> >> > points will fail sooner and you'll be painting again earlier than you
> >> > should.
> >>
> >> This is kind of defeating the purpose of spraying. If you have to brush
> >> out a sprayed finish you did something wrong.
> >
> > I'm not convinced that spraying is the way to go in the first place.
> > It would depend entirely on the configuration. Take a look at this
> > picture:
> >
> http://www.prontocasagiardino.com/img/strutture_legno_pergola_autoportante.jpg
> > You can't spray that without brushing out. This one
> > http://www.dreamingcreek.com/Images/outdoor/outdoor3-1.jpg you could
> > spray, but you'd still need a brush in a few places.
>
> I can't see where there would be any difficulty with spraying either of them
> with airless.

Let me guess. You didn't need flying lessons, you just hopped in the
cockpit and took off, right? We're not talking about you, strange as
it may seem. We're talking about someone with no experience. If you
believe that someone would be able to spray all of those corners and
between the sides of the beams without having runs all over the place,
you're deluded. They'd have to break out the brush anyway you look at
it.

> >> > For a cheapie paint sprayer you can use a 2 1/2 gallon compression pump
> >> > sprayer, thin the paint a bit and brush it out.
> >>
> >> Maybe that's your problem. A hand-pumped sprayer is _not_ a substitute
> >> for HVLP or high pressure airless.
> >
> > No kidding? I'm sure you're not suggesting that a beginner with no
> > experience spraying will be able to spray a drip and run free finish
> > the first time out of the gate, right?
>
> Are you suggesting that a beginner with no experience would be able to brush
> one? Takes more skill to do a good job with a brush than with a sprayer.
>
> > When all things are factored in - time, expense, cleaning time, ease of
> > operation - using two rollers (9" and 3") and a brush would probably be
> > the best choice for the OP. Since the OP is convinced that spraying is
> > the only option, and he doesn't want to spend any money, I tossed out
> > the compression sprayer.
> >
> > The OP asked for a low cost sprayer and the Wagner things suck. The
> > compression sprayer is useful for a bunch of other things and is about
> > as cheap as it gets. It obviously won't spray a finish comparable to a
> > pro tool, but it will get the paint where he needs it.
>
> So will the cheap Wagner that you denigrate. And it's likely to do a far
> better job than something intended to spray weed killer.

I denigrate...? Are you talking about this range of Wagner sprayer?
http://www.epinions.com/Wagner_Power_Products_220_Power_Painter_One_Speed_1600_PSI_Shop_Tools/display_~reviews
Maybe you have easily satisfied standards in your equipment, but I
don't buy stuff just to buy stuff. The rating of that Wagner from that
link was skewed by a guy who liked it after spraying a garage door and
a couple of other doors. Doors aren't pergolas.

Compression sprayers come in a variety of sizes and types. The better
ones have changeable tips to change the spray pattern and deal with
different viscosities. They can be used to spray all sorts of stuff,
from deck stain and sealer, pesticides, formwork release agent, and
yes, paint.

R


Posted by J. Clarke on June 6, 2006, 11:33 am
RicodJour wrote:

> J. Clarke wrote:
>> RicodJour wrote:
>>
>> > J. Clarke wrote:
>> >> RicodJour wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Photon713 wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Looking for an inexpensive, around $100, paint sprayer to
>> >> >> spray paint a pergola. I will be using a white latex outdoor
>> >> >> paint.
>> >> >> Painting by brush would take forever. Spray painting is the only
>> >> >> viable option. Anyone have a recommendation?
>> >> >
>> >> > You still have to brush the paint out, or should, to insure that all
>> >> > cracks, crevices and voids are filled with paint. Otherwise those
>> >> > points will fail sooner and you'll be painting again earlier than
>> >> > you should.
>> >>
>> >> This is kind of defeating the purpose of spraying. If you have to
>> >> brush out a sprayed finish you did something wrong.
>> >
>> > I'm not convinced that spraying is the way to go in the first place.
>> > It would depend entirely on the configuration. Take a look at this
>> > picture:
>> >
>>
http://www.prontocasagiardino.com/img/strutture_legno_pergola_autoportante.jpg
>> > You can't spray that without brushing out. This one
>> > http://www.dreamingcreek.com/Images/outdoor/outdoor3-1.jpg you could
>> > spray, but you'd still need a brush in a few places.
>>
>> I can't see where there would be any difficulty with spraying either of
>> them with airless.
>
> Let me guess. You didn't need flying lessons, you just hopped in the
> cockpit and took off, right? We're not talking about you, strange as
> it may seem. We're talking about someone with no experience. If you
> believe that someone would be able to spray all of those corners and
> between the sides of the beams without having runs all over the place,
> you're deluded. They'd have to break out the brush anyway you look at
> it.

If they do they do. Geez, it's not the effing end of the universe you know.

>> >> > For a cheapie paint sprayer you can use a 2 1/2 gallon compression
>> >> > pump sprayer, thin the paint a bit and brush it out.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe that's your problem. A hand-pumped sprayer is _not_ a
>> >> substitute for HVLP or high pressure airless.
>> >
>> > No kidding? I'm sure you're not suggesting that a beginner with no
>> > experience spraying will be able to spray a drip and run free finish
>> > the first time out of the gate, right?
>>
>> Are you suggesting that a beginner with no experience would be able to
>> brush
>> one? Takes more skill to do a good job with a brush than with a sprayer.
>>
>> > When all things are factored in - time, expense, cleaning time, ease of
>> > operation - using two rollers (9" and 3") and a brush would probably be
>> > the best choice for the OP. Since the OP is convinced that spraying is
>> > the only option, and he doesn't want to spend any money, I tossed out
>> > the compression sprayer.
>> >
>> > The OP asked for a low cost sprayer and the Wagner things suck. The
>> > compression sprayer is useful for a bunch of other things and is about
>> > as cheap as it gets. It obviously won't spray a finish comparable to a
>> > pro tool, but it will get the paint where he needs it.
>>
>> So will the cheap Wagner that you denigrate. And it's likely to do a far
>> better job than something intended to spray weed killer.
>
> I denigrate...? Are you talking about this range of Wagner sprayer?
>
http://www.epinions.com/Wagner_Power_Products_220_Power_Painter_One_Speed_1600_PSI_Shop_Tools/display_~reviews

That's the one.

> Maybe you have easily satisfied standards in your equipment, but I
> don't buy stuff just to buy stuff. The rating of that Wagner from that
> link was skewed by a guy who liked it after spraying a garage door and
> a couple of other doors. Doors aren't pergolas.

And a few others who were happy with it. I've never bought one, just used
one to spray some "difficult" coatings. Pro airless works better, but the
cheapie gets house paint out the nozzle just fine.

> Compression sprayers come in a variety of sizes and types. The better
> ones have changeable tips to change the spray pattern and deal with
> different viscosities. They can be used to spray all sorts of stuff,
> from deck stain and sealer, pesticides, formwork release agent, and
> yes, paint.

Doesn't mean that it's good at any of them.

The guy's not trying to win the concours at Long Beach for God's sake.

Develop some effing _perspective_.

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Posted by RicodJour on June 6, 2006, 1:45 pm
J. Clarke wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
>
> > Compression sprayers come in a variety of sizes and types. The better
> > ones have changeable tips to change the spray pattern and deal with
> > different viscosities. They can be used to spray all sorts of stuff,
> > from deck stain and sealer, pesticides, formwork release agent, and
> > yes, paint.
>
> Doesn't mean that it's good at any of them.
>
> The guy's not trying to win the concours at Long Beach for God's sake.
>
> Develop some effing _perspective_.

I went back to the beginning of this thread to develop some effing
_perspective_. I was curious to see what advice you had for the OP.
Surprise. No advice, just a criticism of a low tech solution for the
intended purpose. It then devolved from there.

If you have some advice, give it. If you take umbrage with another's
method/advice, feel free to say so - then provide what is, in your
opinion, a superior alternative. That is how it is done. Thanks.

R


Posted by Joseph Meehan on June 4, 2006, 1:35 pm
Photon713 wrote:
> Morning all...
>
> Looking for an inexpensive, around $100, paint sprayer to
> spray paint a pergola. I will be using a white latex outdoor paint.
> Painting by brush would take forever. Spray painting is the only
> viable option. Anyone have a recommendation?
>
> Regards...Bob


You can buy a cheap sprayer or you can rent a good one. The cheap one
will take 4 times longer and not do a good of a job and cost more. Or you
can use a brush, maybe faster than the cheap homeowners' sprayer and save
money.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit



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