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Installation cost of "porch ceiling" MiamiCuse 05-18-2007
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Posted by MiamiCuse on May 19, 2007, 5:10 am

>> I need to install T1-11 boards as ceiling in a porch area. I have about
>> 800
>> SF of porch space and I was quoted a price of $6500 to install it (labor
>> +
>> material). The labor involves cutting the 4x8 sheets to the porch
>> dimension, in some areas I have overhead hi-hats so those need to be cut.
>> For the most part it is pretty straight and uncomplicated. It does NOT
>> include the cost of painting the boards. The materials will be the
>> boards
>> themselves which sells for about $22.00 per sheet in local lumber yards,
>> staple guns and nails. Now this works out to be $8/SF. This is more
>> expensive than laying tiles!
>>
>> I asked the guy and he said hanging stuff upside down (the porch is 7
>> feet
>> from the floor reachable by hand without being on a ladder) is very
>> difficult and that is why its so expensive.
>>
>> Anyone knows what the on going rate should be?
>
> You've been working on the house for a while now with a few stumbling
> blocks along the way. Constantly shopping for contractors is wasting
> your time and money. Money that could be put to far better use hiring
> a qualified contractor that would be willing to work on more than one
> project on your house.
>
> It's pointless to ask the "going" rate. You need real numbers from
> real contractors in your area. The number you've gotten so far is in
> "unreal" territory. Call some other contractors and get some more
> numbers. Talk to some material suppliers, hardware stores, neighbors,
> postman, etc. and start putting together a list of recommended
> contractors. When you start seeing the same names pop up, you've
> found a good place to start.
>
> Contractors' prices usually improve as the contractor becomes familiar
> with whoever hired them, whether GC or homeowner. Once they've
> learned that you're not an unknown quantity - not a pain in the ass,
> nit-picking perfectionist, slow paying, unrealistic expectations -
> their risk decreases and they enjoy the job more. Two critical
> elements in getting good prices.
>
> Do the legwork now. Find that guy that's willing to tackle an
> assortment of jobs as your finances allow. It'll be effort well
> spent.
>
> R
>

Thats easier said than done. I have been trying for months without luck.
Seems general contractors are an extinct species. Talked to all my friends,
neighbors and co-workers and same thing "yep we been looking too, no one is
available". I think Wilma really did south Florida in...every other house
got damaged, in flux of out of state contractors to make quick bucks, a lot
of unlicensed contractors came and collected 50% down from retired elderlys
and never show, skyrocketing insurance, property taxes and housing cost may
have sent the good contractors somewhere else.

The few I found via yellow pages or business cards tagged to big box store
bulletin boards did not impress me - I mean - they seem to know far less
than I do - and I don't know a whole lot LOL.

It seems all I can find are "designers". They will hire architects for me,
architects will hire engineers, and they also will hire contractors for me
who will then coordinate with the subs. However I cannot afford a
"designer". Talked to one the other day and his fee is $400 a day flat over
the life of the project on top of the architect's fee, engineer's fee,
contractor's fee and construction cost.

I have been looking for a good contractor. They are just no where to be
found. So for now I am hiring the tradesman for specific tasks until I find
one. So far I found one good electrician, went through three subpar
finished carpenters, interviewing a few framing and drywall finishers, have
not found a good plumber yet, have yet to find and talk to a mason, I might
have found a good lawn care guy, he did cut my grass without knocking out
all the sprinkler heads LOL.

If all goes well I move in one year from now.

MC



Posted by HeyBub on May 19, 2007, 9:01 am
MiamiCuse wrote:
> I need to install T1-11 boards as ceiling in a porch area. I have
> about 800 SF of porch space and I was quoted a price of $6500 to
> install it (labor + material). The labor involves cutting the 4x8
> sheets to the porch dimension, in some areas I have overhead hi-hats
> so those need to be cut. For the most part it is pretty straight and
> uncomplicated. It does NOT include the cost of painting the boards. The
> materials will be the boards themselves which sells for about
> $22.00 per sheet in local lumber yards, staple guns and nails. Now
> this works out to be $8/SF. This is more expensive than laying tiles!
>
> I asked the guy and he said hanging stuff upside down (the porch is 7
> feet from the floor reachable by hand without being on a ladder) is
> very difficult and that is why its so expensive.
>
> Anyone knows what the on going rate should be?
>
> Thanks in advance,

You're in Miami, right? You've got box stores in the neighborhood?

Here's a starting plan:

Buy the material and have it delivered. Paint the raw material yourself.

Drive down to the box store parking lot, find a worker waiting for a day
job. Somebody with his own tools. Let him pick his own co-worker. Offer
$20/hr for him, $15/hr for the helper.

Plan on actively supervising the project.

When the big job is done, go back and touch-up the painting.



Posted by David Martel on May 19, 2007, 11:18 am
Bub,

I don't think you'll find a $20/hr. guy with a table saw and compound
miter saw in the back of his truck. This does not sound like a "hand tool"
job. This might be the route for the painting.

Dave M.



Posted by marson on May 19, 2007, 11:41 am
> Bub,
>
> I don't think you'll find a $20/hr. guy with a table saw and compound
> miter saw in the back of his truck. This does not sound like a "hand tool"
> job. This might be the route for the painting.
>
> Dave M.

Well, you can't find a contractor to save your soul. Tells me that
they got you bent over a log. They'll charge exhorbitant rates and if
you don't like it, they'll go elsewhere. That's the beauty of the
free market, isn't it? Why should contractor's operate by different
rules than say the oil companies?


Posted by mm on May 19, 2007, 5:52 pm

>> Bub,
>>
>> I don't think you'll find a $20/hr. guy with a table saw and compound
>> miter saw in the back of his truck. This does not sound like a "hand tool"
>> job. This might be the route for the painting.
>>
>> Dave M.
>
>Well, you can't find a contractor to save your soul. Tells me that
>they got you bent over a log. They'll charge exhorbitant rates and if
>you don't like it, they'll go elsewhere. That's the beauty of the
>free market, isn't it? Why should contractor's operate by different
>rules than say the oil companies?

It's conceivable that this project should wait until more of the
hurricane damage has been fixed. A year?

It doesn't sound essential, and one can say, "I can't find anyone."
Everyone should know by now about the work situation in Florida. At
least everyone in Florda.

Even if he could find someone by paying enough, wouldn't it be better
for everyone as a whole if that guy were doing someone's roof or some
part of his house that is more essential, like the walls.


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