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Installing full overlay cabinets under soffit. Mikepier 09-18-2007
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Posted by Mikepier on September 18, 2007, 7:31 am
I am planning on redoing my kitchen soon. I have a soffit in my
kitchen which I must keep due to plumbing pipes. I also have to bring
my soffit down a little to accomodate a 6" duct inside that will vent
my range hood. So once the soffit is done, there will be exactly 48"
from the bottom of the soffit to the countertop. In order to maintain
the 18" between the countertop and the bottom of the cabinet, I
pretty much have to butt the 30" cabinet right up to the soffit, which
means there will be no crown molding since this is a full overlay
cabinet.
I was just wondering if this is whats normally done in this situation,
or if anyone has any suggestions. Thanks.


Posted by Steve on September 18, 2007, 8:47 am
alt.home.repair:

> I am planning on redoing my kitchen soon. I have a soffit in my
> kitchen which I must keep due to plumbing pipes. I also have to
> bring my soffit down a little to accomodate a 6" duct inside that
> will vent my range hood. So once the soffit is done, there will be
> exactly 48" from the bottom of the soffit to the countertop. In order
> to maintain the 18" between the countertop and the bottom of the
> cabinet, I pretty much have to butt the 30" cabinet right up to the
> soffit, which means there will be no crown molding since this is a
> full overlay cabinet.
> I was just wondering if this is whats normally done in this
> situation, or if anyone has any suggestions. Thanks.

Given what you've said, that sounds like the only solution. I've seen a
lot of cabinets with soffits above, and they usually have a piece of 3/4"
stop molding to hide the crack. You can apply a band of decorative flat
molding at the seam in place of the crown molding.

--
Steve B.
New Life Home Improvement

Posted by dadiOH on September 18, 2007, 9:24 am
Mikepier wrote:
> I am planning on redoing my kitchen soon. I have a soffit in my
> kitchen which I must keep due to plumbing pipes. I also have to
> bring my soffit down a little to accomodate a 6" duct inside that
> will vent my range hood. So once the soffit is done, there will be
> exactly 48" from the bottom of the soffit to the countertop. In
> order to maintain the 18" between the countertop and the bottom of
> the cabinet, I pretty much have to butt the 30" cabinet right up to
> the soffit, which means there will be no crown molding since this
> is a full overlay cabinet.
> I was just wondering if this is whats normally done in this
> situation, or if anyone has any suggestions. Thanks.

1. How wide is the soffit?

2. You don't *have* to have 18" from countertop to upper cabinets. In
fact, I find that excessive. I hung mine at 16" and in the past have
used 14". The lower they are the more useable they are.

3. I wouldn't use the soffit as the "liner upper" - I'd hang the
cabinets so they are horizontal. That may result in them being
parallel to the soffits or not so I'd also hang them so there is space
between soffit and cabinet. I cover that space with a molding which
is why I asked how wide your soffits are...gotta have space for the
molding.

4. What do full overlay doors have to do with using a crown molding?
Are you saying there isn't enough exposed space on the top of the face
frame for molding?

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dadiOH
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Posted by Mikepier on September 18, 2007, 9:56 am
> 1. How wide is the soffit?

The new soffit will run the entire length of the kitchen, 11 feet.
As I've said, because of a duct, it will be 12" high (from bottom of
the soffit to the ceiling)
>
> 2. You don't *have* to have 18" from countertop to upper cabinets. In
> fact, I find that excessive. I hung mine at 16" and in the past have
> used 14". The lower they are the more useable they are.

That's what I was thinking of. I don't know how critical that 18"
rule is. It's just what
I've read as the standard
>
> 3. I wouldn't use the soffit as the "liner upper" - I'd hang the
> cabinets so they are horizontal. That may result in them being
> parallel to the soffits or not so I'd also hang them so there is space
> between soffit and cabinet. I cover that space with a molding which
> is why I asked how wide your soffits are...gotta have space for the
> molding.
>
> 4. What do full overlay doors have to do with using a crown molding?
> Are you saying there isn't enough exposed space on the top of the face
> frame for molding?

Full overlay cabinets are designed so the door covers the entire frame
of the cabinet. Which means if you look at a cabinet sideways, the top
of the door and the top of the frame are almost even. Putting on
molding is a little more involved.


Posted by dadiOH on September 18, 2007, 4:40 pm
Mikepier wrote:
>> 1. How wide is the soffit?
>
> The new soffit will run the entire length of the kitchen, 11 feet.
> As I've said, because of a duct, it will be 12" high (from bottom of
> the soffit to the ceiling)

I wasn't interested in either length or height, just the width. Not
important since you can't use molding anyway since you seem to have
"European" style cabinets which are a box with doors; i.e., no face
frame.

> Full overlay cabinets are designed so the door covers the entire
> frame of the cabinet. Which means if you look at a cabinet
> sideways, the top of the door and the top of the frame are almost
> even. Putting on molding is a little more involved.

I've never heard of "full overlay cabinets". Full overlay *doors*,
yes; cabinets, no. Full overlay doors are "full overlay" because they
are on the outside of the face frame instead of being recessed either
fully or partially. There is normally a reveal with full overlay
doors - an inch at least and that inch would accommodate a molding.
Your box cabinets won't, good luck in hanging them.

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dadiOH
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