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Insulating an uneven wall Eigenvector 11-16-2006
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Posted by Eigenvector on November 16, 2006, 11:05 pm


Now that I have all the wiring done in my basement I'm installing insulation
in the walls. It's pretty straightforward but there are a couple of things
I wanted to know.

None of the studs in my walls are evenly spaced. I think one section is
actually a standard space apart ( whatever that is, 24" or something), the
rest are too close together and one is about 1.5 times wider than normal.
This is due to the cross beam placement in the ceiling I suspose. How do I
know it's too close together - when installing the insulation I have to
bunch it up in the space. Is that a bad thing to do? Right now its all
scrunched up in there, nothing too tight, but definitely compressed to some
degree.

When working insulation around boxes, should I cut the insulation short of
the box, then mold a bottom piece of insulation to fit around the box, and
continue down the wall? I have a notion of just shoving it in there, but
I've been warned about hotspots by doing that.

Lastly, in some sections I have romex running down the stud from the ceiling
to outlet boxes and such. Should I do anything with the insulation along
the stud where the Romex is routed?

One other thing, is it easier to work with insulation with a pair of
scissors or a cutter? I'm using a cutter, but I notice that while the paper
is cut evenly, the insulation is typically raggedy. The pink stuff isn't
the best medium for a box cutter.



Posted by marson on November 17, 2006, 3:23 am



Eigenvector wrote:
> Now that I have all the wiring done in my basement I'm installing insulation
> in the walls. It's pretty straightforward but there are a couple of things
> I wanted to know.
>
> None of the studs in my walls are evenly spaced. I think one section is
> actually a standard space apart ( whatever that is, 24" or something), the
> rest are too close together and one is about 1.5 times wider than normal.
> This is due to the cross beam placement in the ceiling I suspose. How do I
> know it's too close together - when installing the insulation I have to
> bunch it up in the space. Is that a bad thing to do? Right now its all
> scrunched up in there, nothing too tight, but definitely compressed to some
> degree.
>
> When working insulation around boxes, should I cut the insulation short of
> the box, then mold a bottom piece of insulation to fit around the box, and
> continue down the wall? I have a notion of just shoving it in there, but
> I've been warned about hotspots by doing that.
>
> Lastly, in some sections I have romex running down the stud from the ceiling
> to outlet boxes and such. Should I do anything with the insulation along
> the stud where the Romex is routed?
>
> One other thing, is it easier to work with insulation with a pair of
> scissors or a cutter? I'm using a cutter, but I notice that while the paper
> is cut evenly, the insulation is typically raggedy. The pink stuff isn't
> the best medium for a box cutter.

to get the maximum insulation value, the insulation must fluff to
whatever size it is meant for (5 1/2" for R-21, for example). it
should not be compressed and it should not have voids. Don't scrunch
it into a joist cavity; cut the insulation to fit. I think it pays to
be careful about this--after all, you're paying for the insulation, why
not take a few extra hours and get it right? if a joist cavity is too
big, run the insulation crosswise. cut around electrical boxes, making
sure there is insulation behind the box. split it around wires (or
make a slit for the wire to run in.)

I use a utility knive. I don't think scissors would work very well.
compress the batt as you cut it. you can get a utility knive with the
blade that has snap-off sections..just extend the blade out and you
will have a long-bladed utility knive. I've found that works well on
thicker batts.

I actually use an eight foot straight edge and cut the batts to width
if need be. I like to use a utility knife with


Posted by EXT on November 17, 2006, 10:18 am


To cut insulation, I use either a snap-off utility knife with the blade
extended about as far as it will go, or for other types of insulation I have
found that a very large (12") pair of scissors are good, I have even used a
sharp pair of hedge shears to trim insulation.

> Now that I have all the wiring done in my basement I'm installing
> insulation in the walls. It's pretty straightforward but there are a
> couple of things I wanted to know.
>
> None of the studs in my walls are evenly spaced. I think one section is
> actually a standard space apart ( whatever that is, 24" or something), the
> rest are too close together and one is about 1.5 times wider than normal.
> This is due to the cross beam placement in the ceiling I suspose. How do
> I know it's too close together - when installing the insulation I have to
> bunch it up in the space. Is that a bad thing to do? Right now its all
> scrunched up in there, nothing too tight, but definitely compressed to
> some degree.
>
> When working insulation around boxes, should I cut the insulation short of
> the box, then mold a bottom piece of insulation to fit around the box, and
> continue down the wall? I have a notion of just shoving it in there, but
> I've been warned about hotspots by doing that.
>
> Lastly, in some sections I have romex running down the stud from the
> ceiling to outlet boxes and such. Should I do anything with the
> insulation along the stud where the Romex is routed?
>
> One other thing, is it easier to work with insulation with a pair of
> scissors or a cutter? I'm using a cutter, but I notice that while the
> paper is cut evenly, the insulation is typically raggedy. The pink stuff
> isn't the best medium for a box cutter.
>



Posted by Lawrence on November 17, 2006, 10:32 am



Eigenvector wrote:
> None of the studs in my walls are evenly spaced. I think one section is
> actually a standard space apart ( whatever that is, 24" or something),

Standard distance is 16" on center. Some are 24", but its' rare.

> rest are too close together and one is about 1.5 times wider than normal.
> This is due to the cross beam placement in the ceiling I suspose. How do I
> know it's too close together - when installing the insulation I have to
> bunch it up in the space. Is that a bad thing to do? Right now its all
> scrunched up in there, nothing too tight, but definitely compressed to some
> degree.

if your spaces are irregular then you have to cut bats to fit. It's
better to have it be a bit too large than too small so a certain amount
of scrunching is inevitable. It is not ideal but nothing is,
especially with regards to fiberglass bats.
>
> When working insulation around boxes, should I cut the insulation short of
> the box, then mold a bottom piece of insulation to fit around the box, and
> continue down the wall? I have a notion of just shoving it in there, but
> I've been warned about hotspots by doing that.

I like to cut a notch slighty smaller than the box so it will fit
around the box snugly. I then cut a small piece of glass to fit under
the box. I size it to overlap the large piece and tear it in half to
reduce the thickness.
>
> Lastly, in some sections I have romex running down the stud from the ceiling
> to outlet boxes and such. Should I do anything with the insulation along
> the stud where the Romex is routed?
>
> One other thing, is it easier to work with insulation with a pair of
> scissors or a cutter? I'm using a cutter, but I notice that while the paper
> is cut evenly, the insulation is typically raggedy. The pink stuff isn't
> the best medium for a box cutter.

I use a breakaway style utiliity knife. they can be found usually in
the paint section and sometimes with the other utility knives. This
style of knife can be extended and retracted. It gives you a nice long
blade to work with, several inches. But the real trick for cutting
insulation is to press the insulaton down at cut line down with a 2x4.
This compresses it and makes it a lot easier to cut regardless of what
type of knife you use.

It helpful to have an improvised workbench. I use a hunk of plywood
over sawhorses. Then you can cut straight through the glass to the
plywood using the edge of the 2x4 as a guide for your knife. When
measuring for fiberglass recognize that it is impossible to make a
perfect cut. Recognizing that, shoot for having your piece be ever so
slightly larger that needed. Then you can do a little scrunching if
neccessary to be sure there are no gaps or cold spots. Avoidance of
cold spots is a very big deal compared to a small amount of scrunching.


Posted by Eigenvector on November 17, 2006, 6:15 pm



>
> Eigenvector wrote:
>> None of the studs in my walls are evenly spaced. I think one section is
>> actually a standard space apart ( whatever that is, 24" or something),
>
> Standard distance is 16" on center. Some are 24", but its' rare.
>
>> rest are too close together and one is about 1.5 times wider than normal.
>> This is due to the cross beam placement in the ceiling I suspose. How do
>> I
>> know it's too close together - when installing the insulation I have to
>> bunch it up in the space. Is that a bad thing to do? Right now its all
>> scrunched up in there, nothing too tight, but definitely compressed to
>> some
>> degree.
>
> if your spaces are irregular then you have to cut bats to fit. It's
> better to have it be a bit too large than too small so a certain amount
> of scrunching is inevitable. It is not ideal but nothing is,
> especially with regards to fiberglass bats.
>>
>> When working insulation around boxes, should I cut the insulation short
>> of
>> the box, then mold a bottom piece of insulation to fit around the box,
>> and
>> continue down the wall? I have a notion of just shoving it in there, but
>> I've been warned about hotspots by doing that.
>
> I like to cut a notch slighty smaller than the box so it will fit
> around the box snugly. I then cut a small piece of glass to fit under
> the box. I size it to overlap the large piece and tear it in half to
> reduce the thickness.
>>
>> Lastly, in some sections I have romex running down the stud from the
>> ceiling
>> to outlet boxes and such. Should I do anything with the insulation along
>> the stud where the Romex is routed?
>>
>> One other thing, is it easier to work with insulation with a pair of
>> scissors or a cutter? I'm using a cutter, but I notice that while the
>> paper
>> is cut evenly, the insulation is typically raggedy. The pink stuff isn't
>> the best medium for a box cutter.
>
> I use a breakaway style utiliity knife. they can be found usually in
> the paint section and sometimes with the other utility knives. This
> style of knife can be extended and retracted. It gives you a nice long
> blade to work with, several inches. But the real trick for cutting
> insulation is to press the insulaton down at cut line down with a 2x4.
> This compresses it and makes it a lot easier to cut regardless of what
> type of knife you use.
>
> It helpful to have an improvised workbench. I use a hunk of plywood
> over sawhorses. Then you can cut straight through the glass to the
> plywood using the edge of the 2x4 as a guide for your knife. When
> measuring for fiberglass recognize that it is impossible to make a
> perfect cut. Recognizing that, shoot for having your piece be ever so
> slightly larger that needed. Then you can do a little scrunching if
> neccessary to be sure there are no gaps or cold spots. Avoidance of
> cold spots is a very big deal compared to a small amount of scrunching.

Thanks all for the responses. For the sounds of it I need to change my
knife, and maybe get a better work surface. I'll figure it out.

I've been trying to do everything while in place, but I guess once the wall
has been measured the rest can be done on a better work surface.
>



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