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Insulating below a floor Steve Barker LT 11-10-2006
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Posted by Steve Barker LT on November 10, 2006, 10:26 pm


I've mentioned in other posts about our 135 yr old house we're working on.
At this point I'm rebuilding the floor on the lower level. This house
basically sits on the ground. My new joists will be about 4" off the dirt.
I've been through the "to vent or not to vent" threads about crawl spaces.
I've decided not to ventilate. It's been closed for 135 years, it can keep
being closed. My question is, IS there any reason why I shouldn't fill this
space will insulation? Whether it be fiberglass or blown cellulose? In a
few days I'll have all new joists and proper center support and will
probably insulate unless there's some reason I shouldn't.

thanks!

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Steve Barker





Posted by Malcolm Hoar on November 10, 2006, 11:14 pm


>I've mentioned in other posts about our 135 yr old house we're working on.
>At this point I'm rebuilding the floor on the lower level. This house
>basically sits on the ground. My new joists will be about 4" off the dirt.
>I've been through the "to vent or not to vent" threads about crawl spaces.
>I've decided not to ventilate. It's been closed for 135 years, it can keep
>being closed. My question is, IS there any reason why I shouldn't fill this
>space will insulation? Whether it be fiberglass or blown cellulose? In a
>few days I'll have all new joists and proper center support and will
>probably insulate unless there's some reason I shouldn't.

I don't see how that insulation will do much insulating. A shallow
unvented crawl space makes for a reasonable insulator by itself.
However, it could provide a bridge/path for moisture or bugs to cross
from the dirt to the joists and floor. It might also make subsequent
jobs a little harder (e.g. pulling some new power or CAT-5 cable).

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Posted by kevin on November 11, 2006, 12:02 am



Malcolm Hoar wrote:
> >being closed. My question is, IS there any reason why I shouldn't fill this
> >space will insulation?

> I don't see how that insulation will do much insulating.

I concur with Malcolm. I'd just insulate the perimeter walls, making
very sure to use appropriate flashing or whatever to make a barrier
between the ground and the insulation (which would otherwise provide a
termite/bug/stuff path). Maybe you also want to put down a sturdy vapor
barrier over the entire dirt floor, if you haven't already.

Other than that, the air itself will provide decent insulation.

-kevin


Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on November 11, 2006, 7:50 am



>
> Other than that, the air itself will provide decent insulation.
>
> -kevin

If that is true, why don't they just leave the air space between the
sheathing and drywall in a house? Why do we waste money putting up all the
fiberglass?

I'd insulate with two inches of foam board at a minimum.



Posted by m Ransley on November 11, 2006, 8:58 am


Now any moisture passes up through the house that comes up from the
ground, who knows how much water the insulation might hold possibly
leading to rot. 1st put down a plastic moisture barrier on the dirt.
Your location, amount of rain and soil humidity need to be known first.
If its to high you will have problems.


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