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Island sink vent loop questions Wayne Whitney 04-17-2008
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Posted by Wayne Whitney on April 17, 2008, 4:24 pm
Hello,

I'm planning the DWV plumbing for a kitchen island sink and have a few
questions about the requisite vent loop. We're on the 2006 UPC here
and air admittance valves are not allowed. I'm using the following
image as a reference:
<http://www.rd.com/images/tfhimport/2003/20031001_Ask_Handyman_page001img001_size2.jpg>

(1) The drain line will be 2". Is it necessary or useful to enlarge
the vent from the usual 1.5" to 2"?

(2) I assume that there is no horizontal separation requirement for
the two vertical legs of the loop. So from the fixture san-T I can
come up to a street 45, a 90, and then a street 45. Is that correct?
Also, is that a vent 90 or a long-turn 90?

(3) Is it important that the vent leg of the loop connect to the drain
downstream of the drainage leg of the loop, rather than upstream?

(4) To get both the horizontal vent and the horizontal drain to fit in
the joist cavity, I'd like to minimize the height difference between
them. In usual pattern, the vertical vent leg comes down into a san-T
for the horizontal vent take-off followed by a combo to tie into the
horizontal drain. I'd like to roll this san-T/combo over to 45
degrees from the vertical, by inserting a 45 elbow before the san-T.
Is there any problem with this? I assume that the prohibition on
"flat venting" would prohibit me from rolling this over any further.

FWIW, there will be a regularly vented sink upstream of the island
sink, and I plan to run the island vent over to the this area to
connect with the regular sink vent. Thanks in advance.

Cheers, Wayne

Posted by Wayne Whitney on April 17, 2008, 11:47 pm

> (3) Is it important that the vent leg of the loop connect to the drain
> downstream of the drainage leg of the loop, rather than upstream?

I think I found the answer to this one: vents have to take off
downstream of the trap. I'm not sure why that is, but it is easy
enough to follow.

Thanks, Wayne

Posted by Wayne Whitney on April 18, 2008, 1:19 pm
OK, I think I've answered all my own questions except one. So:


> I'm planning the DWV plumbing for a kitchen island sink and have a
> few questions about the requisite vent loop. We're on the 2006 UPC
> here and air admittance valves are not allowed. I'm using the
> following image as a reference:
>
<http://www.rd.com/images/tfhimport/2003/20031001_Ask_Handyman_page001img001_size2.jpg>
>
> (1) The drain line will be 2". Is it necessary or useful to enlarge
> the vent from the usual 1.5" to 2"?

Not necessary, and not useful given concern (4) below.

> (2) I assume that there is no horizontal separation requirement for
> the two vertical legs of the loop. So from the fixture san-T I can
> come up to a street 45, a 90, and then a street 45. Is that
> correct? Also, is that a vent 90 or a long-turn 90?

UPC 909 says I can use a one piece return fitting; otherwise I have to
use the 45-90-45 pattern. The 90 is a drainage 90, but need not be
long-turn. Nothing wrong with using street fittings.

> (3) Is it important that the vent leg of the loop connect to the
> drain downstream of the drainage leg of the loop, rather than
> upstream?

Yes, the vent always attaches downstream of the trap.

> (4) To get both the horizontal vent and the horizontal drain to fit
> in the joist cavity, I'd like to minimize the height difference
> between them. In usual pattern, the vertical vent leg comes down
> into a san-T for the horizontal vent take-off followed by a combo to
> tie into the horizontal drain.

Actually, for the UPC, the vertical vent leg has to come down to a
combo for the horizontal vent take-off.

> I'd like to roll this san-T/combo over to 45 degrees from the
> vertical, by inserting a 45 elbow before the san-T. Is there any
> problem with this?

Still not sure of this, whether I can roll the combo-combo over 45
degrees. Any comments? Or any other ideas on minimizing the height
difference between the horizontal vent (foot vent) and the horizontal
drain?

> FWIW, there will be a regularly vented sink upstream of the island
> sink, and I plan to run the island vent over to the this area to
> connect with the regular sink vent. Thanks in advance.

No other fixtures can be attached upstream of the loop vent, so I have
to split my drain line downstream of the loop vent to accomodate the
other sink.

Cheers, Wayne


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