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Junction boxes not permitted in attic? Percival P. Cassidy 08-05-2005
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Posted by on August 5, 2005, 12:53 pm


> Wall insulation

Oh, I had my "electrical" hat on at the time!

Tim.



Posted by Art Todesco on August 5, 2005, 6:54 pm


You could always put a light or an
outlet, depending on the location of the
box.
That might make the "locals" happy. You
could always use extra lights or an
outlet in a attic .... well, since the
advent of good battery drills and saws,
its not
as usefull as it used to be.

shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote:
>>"Do not install junction boxes in the
>>attic or conceal them in walls."
>
>
> That makes no sense at all. That would mean that junction boxes must be
> on the surface of the wall (how 'bout that exposed Romex?) and in the
> basement, I guess.
>
> There are some other bizarro factoids in that PDF file. Like how the
> roughing-in inspection has to be done with all insulation off, what the
> heck can that mean?
>
> I'm sure that whoever wrote those sections had good intentions but I
> doubt he intended it to be read the way we are.
>
> Tim.
>


Posted by George E. Cawthon on August 5, 2005, 7:33 pm


shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote:
>>"Do not install junction boxes in the
>>attic or conceal them in walls."
>
>
> That makes no sense at all. That would mean that junction boxes must be
> on the surface of the wall (how 'bout that exposed Romex?) and in the
> basement, I guess.
>
> There are some other bizarro factoids in that PDF file. Like how the
> roughing-in inspection has to be done with all insulation off, what the
> heck can that mean?
>
> I'm sure that whoever wrote those sections had good intentions but I
> doubt he intended it to be read the way we are.
>
> Tim.
>

You are right, true or not, it makes no sense.
For example all of the light fixture boxes and
outlet boxes in the ceiling are attached to joists
and open from the attic (usually covered with
insulation). There is less protection in the
attic than in the room below. So putting a box in
the attic would not increase the danger any. I
would bet that the statement applies to
non-accessible attics.


Posted by deans@wdeans.com on August 5, 2005, 12:49 pm



Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
> On 08/05/05 01:28 pm deans@wdeans.com tossed the following ingredients
> into the ever-growing pot of cybersoup:
>
> > A) I have never heard anyone complain about junction boxes within an
> > attic. It is not an NEC rule. What is the URL to the document? Where
> > (what page?) does the document say this.
>
> It's the "Circuits and Wiring Information Sheet" from the City of
> Bloomington, MN:
>
> http://www.ci.bloomington.mn.us/handouts/53qcircuits.pdf
>
> Page 1, right-hand column, under heading "Junction Boxes":
>
> "Do not install junction boxes in the attic or conceal them in walls."
>
> > B) Some boxes have cable clamps INSIDE rather than outside. You might
> > have run across such a box. Otherwise feel free to add the clamps.
>
> > PS: If there really aren't any clamps I would take the time to inspect
> > the other boxes within the house. Pull out a light and a receptacle or
> > two in your investigation as well.
>
> I'll check the boxes in question. I have already found some weird
> electrical stuff in this house, including a couple of instances of wires
> joined by twisting copper wire around the untwisted conductors and
> insulated with the cap of a "magic marker" and the whole lot taped up.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Perce

Greetings,

I did the unthinkable and called up the city of Bloomington, MN for
clarification. When I asked about the attic box rule the lady said
that they follow the National Electrical Code. I didn't know exactly
what she meant by that answer so I asked her if that meant they had no
rules in addition to the NEC. She said that she wasn't an inspector
and didn't know. None of the inspectors had the time to speak with me
and I was not given the option to hold. I left a voice mail and will
let you know what the inspector says when (if) he calls back.

Hope this helps,
William



Posted by Pop on August 5, 2005, 8:54 pm



message
>
> Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
>> On 08/05/05 01:28 pm deans@wdeans.com tossed the
>> following ingredients
>> into the ever-growing pot of cybersoup:
>>
>> > A) I have never heard anyone complain about
>> > junction boxes within an
>> > attic. It is not an NEC rule. What is the URL to
>> > the document? Where
>> > (what page?) does the document say this.
>>
>> It's the "Circuits and Wiring Information Sheet"
>> from the City of
>> Bloomington, MN:
>>
>> http://www.ci.bloomington.mn.us/handouts/53qcircuits.pdf
>>
>> Page 1, right-hand column, under heading "Junction
>> Boxes":
>>
>> "Do not install junction boxes in the attic or
>> conceal them in walls."
>>
>> > B) Some boxes have cable clamps INSIDE rather than
>> > outside. You might
>> > have run across such a box. Otherwise feel free
>> > to add the clamps.
>>
>> > PS: If there really aren't any clamps I would take
>> > the time to inspect
>> > the other boxes within the house. Pull out a
>> > light and a receptacle or
>> > two in your investigation as well.
>>
>> I'll check the boxes in question. I have already
>> found some weird
>> electrical stuff in this house, including a couple
>> of instances of wires
>> joined by twisting copper wire around the untwisted
>> conductors and
>> insulated with the cap of a "magic marker" and the
>> whole lot taped up.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Perce
>
> Greetings,
>
> I did the unthinkable and called up the city of
> Bloomington, MN for
> clarification. When I asked about the attic box rule
> the lady said
> that they follow the National Electrical Code. I
> didn't know exactly
> what she meant by that answer so I asked her if that
> meant they had no
> rules in addition to the NEC. She said that she
> wasn't an inspector
> and didn't know. None of the inspectors had the time
> to speak with me
> and I was not given the option to hold. I left a
> voice mail and will
> let you know what the inspector says when (if) he
> calls back.
>
> Hope this helps,
> William
>

Goog going; anxious to hear back! I wonder if "attic"
in a place like Mn means something different than it
means to the rest of us? Either that or some
clarification of the statement is missing. It just
isn't reasonble as it is.

Pop




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