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Junction boxes not permitted in attic? Percival P. Cassidy 08-05-2005
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Posted by on August 5, 2005, 9:27 pm


I've seen local guys come up with some real BS stuff on their own
before. Someone I knew was putting a hot tub on their outside deck.
The electrician went to get a permit to run the wiring. The building
inspector hands him a list of their requirements, some of which came
from BOCA proposals, that were not even adopted. The classic was that
the spa must have a cover capable of supporting two adults for a
rescue. Now that surely ranks as dumber than no junction boxes in an
attic. I mean, do these guys even know what a hot tub/spa is? I've
seen a lot of them, even large ones at hotels, and have yet to see one
where having a cover that would support two people would be in any way
relevant to rescuing anyone from a spa.



Posted by Colbyt on August 6, 2005, 5:12 pm



> I've seen local guys come up with some real BS stuff on their own
> before. Someone I knew was putting a hot tub on their outside deck.
> The electrician went to get a permit to run the wiring. The building
> inspector hands him a list of their requirements, some of which came
> from BOCA proposals, that were not even adopted. The classic was that
> the spa must have a cover capable of supporting two adults for a
> rescue. Now that surely ranks as dumber than no junction boxes in an
> attic. I mean, do these guys even know what a hot tub/spa is? I've
> seen a lot of them, even large ones at hotels, and have yet to see one
> where having a cover that would support two people would be in any way
> relevant to rescuing anyone from a spa.
>

The local yokel crap got so bad around here that the state finally took over
and implemented state wide licensing and standards based strictly on NEC. A
lot of crap disappeared over night.


Colbyt




Posted by deans@wdeans.com on August 8, 2005, 11:02 am



deans@wdeans.com wrote:
> Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
> > On 08/05/05 01:28 pm deans@wdeans.com tossed the following ingredients
> > into the ever-growing pot of cybersoup:
> >
> > > A) I have never heard anyone complain about junction boxes within an
> > > attic. It is not an NEC rule. What is the URL to the document? Where
> > > (what page?) does the document say this.
> >
> > It's the "Circuits and Wiring Information Sheet" from the City of
> > Bloomington, MN:
> >
> > http://www.ci.bloomington.mn.us/handouts/53qcircuits.pdf
> >
> > Page 1, right-hand column, under heading "Junction Boxes":
> >
> > "Do not install junction boxes in the attic or conceal them in walls."
> >
> > > B) Some boxes have cable clamps INSIDE rather than outside. You might
> > > have run across such a box. Otherwise feel free to add the clamps.
> >
> > > PS: If there really aren't any clamps I would take the time to inspect
> > > the other boxes within the house. Pull out a light and a receptacle or
> > > two in your investigation as well.
> >
> > I'll check the boxes in question. I have already found some weird
> > electrical stuff in this house, including a couple of instances of wires
> > joined by twisting copper wire around the untwisted conductors and
> > insulated with the cap of a "magic marker" and the whole lot taped up.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Perce
>
> Greetings,
>
> I did the unthinkable and called up the city of Bloomington, MN for
> clarification. When I asked about the attic box rule the lady said
> that they follow the National Electrical Code. I didn't know exactly
> what she meant by that answer so I asked her if that meant they had no
> rules in addition to the NEC. She said that she wasn't an inspector
> and didn't know. None of the inspectors had the time to speak with me
> and I was not given the option to hold. I left a voice mail and will
> let you know what the inspector says when (if) he calls back.
>
> Hope this helps,
> William

Greetings,

I had not heard back from the city so I called them up again. "All
lines were busy." I waited on hold for about 4 minutes and spoke to
the operator. She wanted to know which electrical inspector I wanted
to speak with and I told her that any of them would do. Then she asked
me what region of Bloomington it concerned and I said all of them. She
then asked me where the property was located and I said that my
question concerned a "Circuits and Wiring Information Sheet" and not a
particular property. She seemed perturbed by my insistence that any
electrical inspector would do but eventually she gave up and said that
she would put me into someone's voicemail. At this point I was
disconnected. I guess it is not too late to hear back today from my
call placed Friday so I'll hold off until tomorrow before calling them
back.

Hope this helps,
William



Posted by Pop on August 8, 2005, 7:35 pm



message
>
> deans@wdeans.com wrote:
>> Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
>> > On 08/05/05 01:28 pm deans@wdeans.com tossed the
>> > following ingredients
>> > into the ever-growing pot of cybersoup:
>> >
>> > > A) I have never heard anyone complain about
>> > > junction boxes within an
>> > > attic. It is not an NEC rule. What is the URL
>> > > to the document? Where
>> > > (what page?) does the document say this.
>> >
>> > It's the "Circuits and Wiring Information Sheet"
>> > from the City of
>> > Bloomington, MN:
>> >
>> > http://www.ci.bloomington.mn.us/handouts/53qcircuits.pdf
>> >
>> > Page 1, right-hand column, under heading "Junction
>> > Boxes":
>> >
>> > "Do not install junction boxes in the attic or
>> > conceal them in walls."
>> >
>> > > B) Some boxes have cable clamps INSIDE rather
>> > > than outside. You might
>> > > have run across such a box. Otherwise feel free
>> > > to add the clamps.
>> >
>> > > PS: If there really aren't any clamps I would
>> > > take the time to inspect
>> > > the other boxes within the house. Pull out a
>> > > light and a receptacle or
>> > > two in your investigation as well.
>> >
>> > I'll check the boxes in question. I have already
>> > found some weird
>> > electrical stuff in this house, including a couple
>> > of instances of wires
>> > joined by twisting copper wire around the
>> > untwisted conductors and
>> > insulated with the cap of a "magic marker" and the
>> > whole lot taped up.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Perce
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I did the unthinkable and called up the city of
>> Bloomington, MN for
>> clarification. When I asked about the attic box
>> rule the lady said
>> that they follow the National Electrical Code. I
>> didn't know exactly
>> what she meant by that answer so I asked her if that
>> meant they had no
>> rules in addition to the NEC. She said that she
>> wasn't an inspector
>> and didn't know. None of the inspectors had the
>> time to speak with me
>> and I was not given the option to hold. I left a
>> voice mail and will
>> let you know what the inspector says when (if) he
>> calls back.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> William
>
> Greetings,
>
> I had not heard back from the city so I called them
> up again. "All
> lines were busy." I waited on hold for about 4
> minutes and spoke to
> the operator. She wanted to know which electrical
> inspector I wanted
> to speak with and I told her that any of them would
> do. Then she asked
> me what region of Bloomington it concerned and I said
> all of them. She
> then asked me where the property was located and I
> said that my
> question concerned a "Circuits and Wiring Information
> Sheet" and not a
> particular property. She seemed perturbed by my
> insistence that any
> electrical inspector would do but eventually she gave
> up and said that
> she would put me into someone's voicemail. At this
> point I was
> disconnected. I guess it is not too late to hear
> back today from my
> call placed Friday so I'll hold off until tomorrow
> before calling them
> back.
>
> Hope this helps,
> William
>

Thanks; keep us posted. This is really a curious one.
It sounds like one about has to camp on their doorstep
to get anythiung done in that town.

Pop




Posted by deans@wdeans.com on August 11, 2005, 8:01 am


Greetings,

I called back and spoke with the operator Julie. I asked to speak with
an inspector. She told me that they were all out on inspections but
that I could leave a message. I told her that my message from 6 days
ago had not yet been returned and she said that I might be able to
catch them between 3-4 pm today. I thanked her and then left a message
in "Rick's voicemail" for him to call me back.

Will keep you posted,
William



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