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Looking a house .... with strong smoke odor Art Todesco 05-15-2007
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Posted by Art Todesco on May 15, 2007, 8:49 am
We are looking for a new house. In the
last few days we found a real nice
log home that fits our needs almost
perfectly with the one exception of a
fairly strong smoking smell. I thought
that if we make an offer, it would
be accompanied by a complete list of
"cleaning", such as all carpets extraction
or steam cleaned, all walls, ceilings
and floors, all doors and woodwork. And
all fabric cleaned. My question is,
are we kidding ourselves? Can the smell be
eliminated? Any ideas if this can be
accomplished successfully? BTW, several
walls are wood (the inside of the logs).
Also, how about the insides of the
HVAC ducts and system?
Any personal experience with this?
Thanks.

Real Goods Solar, Inc.
Posted by AZ Nomad on May 15, 2007, 9:01 am


>We are looking for a new house. In the
>last few days we found a real nice
>log home that fits our needs almost
>perfectly with the one exception of a
>fairly strong smoking smell. I thought
>that if we make an offer, it would
>be accompanied by a complete list of
>"cleaning", such as all carpets extraction
>or steam cleaned, all walls, ceilings
>and floors, all doors and woodwork. And
>all fabric cleaned. My question is,
>are we kidding ourselves? Can the smell be
>eliminated? Any ideas if this can be
call a defumigater.

Posted by dpb on May 15, 2007, 9:15 am
> We are looking for a new house. In the
> last few days we found a real nice
> log home that fits our needs almost
> perfectly with the one exception of a
> fairly strong smoking smell. I thought
> that if we make an offer, it would
> be accompanied by a complete list of
> "cleaning", ...

Probably should as another poster said, get the house evaluated by a
professional cleaning service (the post-fire kind of folks, not the
"Stanley Steemer" drive-by guys") and get their opinion/cost.

Unless the market is really weak and the offer is otherwise enticing,
I'd guess the seller will, at best, counter-offer a little off the
price rather than bite the bullet. Depends on how badly they want the
deal of course.

What experience I have is that if it is really strong from a long-time
heavy smoker that carpets can be essentially impossible to fully
eradicate. Carpet in particular is problematical in that it can also
permeate the pad. Drapes can, at least in theory, be taken out and
professionally cleaned, but many are unable to withstand the treatment
either from the type of fabric/lining or age.

The wood shouldn't be too bad assuming it has been finished -- if it
was bare wood there's a possibility of some residual but probably not
a real bad problem. Ducts aren't too bad as they don't have the
porosity and will eventually clear w/ new filters and a freshening.

But, the cost could get pretty high so I'd not go in w/o an estimate
from a reputable firm. Truthfully, I'd think asking for a new carpet
allowance might be more palatable and certainly more certain of
success.



Posted by Banty on May 15, 2007, 1:07 pm
>
>> We are looking for a new house. In the
>> last few days we found a real nice
>> log home that fits our needs almost
>> perfectly with the one exception of a
>> fairly strong smoking smell. I thought
>> that if we make an offer, it would
>> be accompanied by a complete list of
>> "cleaning", ...
>
>Probably should as another poster said, get the house evaluated by a
>professional cleaning service (the post-fire kind of folks, not the
>"Stanley Steemer" drive-by guys") and get their opinion/cost.
>
>Unless the market is really weak and the offer is otherwise enticing,
>I'd guess the seller will, at best, counter-offer a little off the
>price rather than bite the bullet. Depends on how badly they want the
>deal of course.
>
>What experience I have is that if it is really strong from a long-time
>heavy smoker that carpets can be essentially impossible to fully
>eradicate. Carpet in particular is problematical in that it can also
>permeate the pad. Drapes can, at least in theory, be taken out and
>professionally cleaned, but many are unable to withstand the treatment
>either from the type of fabric/lining or age.
>
>The wood shouldn't be too bad assuming it has been finished -- if it
>was bare wood there's a possibility of some residual but probably not
>a real bad problem. Ducts aren't too bad as they don't have the
>porosity and will eventually clear w/ new filters and a freshening.
>
>But, the cost could get pretty high so I'd not go in w/o an estimate
>from a reputable firm. Truthfully, I'd think asking for a new carpet
>allowance might be more palatable and certainly more certain of
>success.
>
>

Yes - new carpets and draperies are necessary (although are draperies not
usually understood as part of the price the way carpets are?). You should be
able to get an allowance for the carpets. Cleaning won't do; you'll want your
own eventually anyway, right? Who wants to live too long with some other
people's decor. This give you a reason to have the new carpeting allowed for.

Cleaning of the heating ductwork, too, would be good and there should be an
estimate and an allowance made. I know that's done around here for forced air
heating systems.

Unless this place is totally smoked up (is there a film on the windows?) and/or
you're very sensitive, these measures plus wiping down the walls should do the
trick. I think some of the responses here are a little over the edge.

As with many things, it depends on the particulars. How bad it is, how
sensitive you are about this (not saying that's a bad thing if you are!), how
much you like the house and how it suits your needs otherwise, what the market
is, how cooperative the sellers might be to turn this to your advantage.

Cheers,
Banty


Posted by Doug Miller on May 15, 2007, 9:19 am
>We are looking for a new house. In the
>last few days we found a real nice
>log home that fits our needs almost
>perfectly with the one exception of a
>fairly strong smoking smell. I thought
>that if we make an offer, it would
>be accompanied by a complete list of
>"cleaning", such as all carpets extraction
>or steam cleaned, all walls, ceilings
>and floors, all doors and woodwork. And
>all fabric cleaned. My question is,
>are we kidding ourselves?

Yes.

> Can the smell be eliminated?

No.

>Any ideas if this can be
>accomplished successfully?

Depends on how sensitive you are to the odor, and how objectionable you find
it, but generally -- it can't.

> BTW, several
>walls are wood (the inside of the logs).

The smell will never come out.

>Also, how about the insides of the
>HVAC ducts and system?

Oddly, I didn't find that to be a problem.

>Any personal experience with this?

My first house had been owned by a smoker, and sat vacant for 18 months before
I moved in. I removed all the carpets and drapes, washed and painted all the
walls, and replaced the bathroom and kitchen cabinets before I could no longer
notice the odor.


--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

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