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Main Panel and Sub Panel questions and the NEC Guy Noir 03-31-2008
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Posted by Guy Noir on March 31, 2008, 1:48 pm
Hi all. I need help understanding some parts of the NEC as they
pertain to my sevice feed and sub panels.

I had my service loop replaced recently from an old 60 amp service
that fed 2 55 amp sub panels directly from a fused disconnect at the
meter.

The new service loop is 200 amps. The existing feed lines, etc to the
subpanels were kept in place and fed via 55 amp breakers, removing the
old fused disconnect.

The electrician installed a 200 amp breaker panel with main lugs only
(No main breaker). He said something about "As long as there are not
any 100 amp feeds to subpanels, a main breaker is not required".

The electrical inspector passed the install with no problems.

Is this correct?

Also, on my subpanels, there is no "Main" breaker either. They are old
screw-buss fuse panels with lugs only. If I replace them, are they
REQUIRED to have a Main Breaker on the sub-panel?

I have a copy of the NEC, but I'm a little lost on these details.

THANKS!
-A

Posted by Joe on March 31, 2008, 2:14 pm
> Hi all. I need help understanding some parts of the NEC as they
> pertain to my sevice feed and sub panels.
>
> I had my service loop replaced recently from an old 60 amp service
> that fed 2 55 amp sub panels directly from a fused disconnect at the
> meter.
>
> The new service loop is 200 amps. The existing feed lines, etc to the
> subpanels were kept in place and fed via 55 amp breakers, removing the
> old fused disconnect.
>
> The electrician installed a 200 amp breaker panel with main lugs only
> (No main breaker). He said something about "As long as there are not
> any 100 amp feeds to subpanels, a main breaker is not required".
>
> The electrical inspector passed the install with no problems.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Also, on my subpanels, there is no "Main" breaker either. They are old
> screw-buss fuse panels with lugs only. If I replace them, are they
> REQUIRED to have a Main Breaker on the sub-panel?
>
> I have a copy of the NEC, but I'm a little lost on these details.
>
> THANKS!
> -A

The final arbiter is your building inspector. If he passed it, there's
no code violation. For possible changes, let the building code people
answer the question. From a common sense standpoint if you get rid of
fuses you need some replacement circuit protection which is in the
NEC, just not obvious. Better answers can be found in wiring methods
books that make the NEC legalese less obscure. Good luck.

Joe

Posted by Guy Noir on March 31, 2008, 2:30 pm
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi all. I need help understanding some parts of the NEC as they
> > pertain to my sevice feed and sub panels.
>
> > I had my service loop replaced recently from an old 60 amp service
> > that fed 2 55 amp sub panels directly from a fused disconnect at the
> > meter.
>
> > The new service loop is 200 amps. The existing feed lines, etc to the
> > subpanels were kept in place and fed via 55 amp breakers, removing the
> > old fused disconnect.
>
> > The electrician installed a 200 amp breaker panel with main lugs only
> > (No main breaker). He said something about "As long as there are not
> > any 100 amp feeds to subpanels, a main breaker is not required".
>
> > The electrical inspector passed the install with no problems.
>
> > Is this correct?
>
> > Also, on my subpanels, there is no "Main" breaker either. They are old
> > screw-buss fuse panels with lugs only. If I replace them, are they
> > REQUIRED to have a Main Breaker on the sub-panel?
>
> > I have a copy of the NEC, but I'm a little lost on these details.
>
> > THANKS!
> > -A
>
> The final arbiter is your building inspector. If he passed it, there's
> no code violation. For possible changes, let the building code people
> answer the question. From a common sense standpoint if you get rid of
> fuses you need some replacement circuit protection which is in the
> NEC,

Sure, the fuse disconnect from the meter was replaced by circuit
breakers, but the sub panels themselves have no main, lugs only. So
the circuit goes from the main panel breaker to the sub lug only.
Just curious if the replacements subs need mains or main lugs are fine
as a replacement....

Thanks for the feedback.

-A

just not obvious. Better answers can be found in wiring methods
> books that make the NEC legalese less obscure. Good luck.
>
> Joe- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Posted by S. Barker on March 31, 2008, 5:57 pm
So, using this line of thinking, the building inspector(s) are gods and can
never make a mistake?


s



The final arbiter is your building inspector. If he passed it, there's
no code violation.

Joe



Posted by Joe on April 1, 2008, 2:48 pm
> So, using this line of thinking, the building inspector(s) are gods and ca=
n
> never make a mistake?

You totally missed the point, which is: You can't fight City Hall. And
also, in many years of dealing with building inspection I have had
valuable help from many very knowledgeable folks. That's the way it is
in small midwest towns, so YMMV. Of course we all make mistakes,
including inspection staff, but IMO there's more grief from badly
written codes than personnel supervising compliance.
Cheers,

Joe

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