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Maximum Draw on a Household Circuit? Marc Miller 07-23-2005
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Posted by RBM on July 24, 2005, 1:07 pm


I think there is some gray area as to what constitutes "unfinished" and that
interpretation would be up to the inspector having jurisdiction. There are
exceptions which include outlets for things like refrigerators and freezers
in these locations
> In alt.home.repair on Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:26:23 -0400 "CL (dnoyeB)
>
>>RBM wrote:
>>> If you try to operate to many appliances, tools, lights etc. at the same
>>> time on the circuit, the breaker will trip. That's your safety device.
>>> There
>>> is no problem mixing lights and outlets on that particular circuit,
>>> however
>>> to be safe and NEC legal, your general use outlets in unfinished
>>> basements
>>> and garages must be GFCI protected
>
> Hmmm. I have several outlets in a finished wall, but the other three
> walls of the laundry room are not finished. Does it require GFCI
>
>>I installed an outlet right next to my service panel. Does it need
>>gfci? There was an outlet there already but i hear this is for the
>
> I have one of these too. It was meant for the washing machine, and
> that's what I use it for. No GFCI. House is 26 years old. Is there a
> problem?
>
>>builders to use during house install. i have my switch and cable modem
>>in the basement too.
>
>
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Posted by George E. Cawthon on July 24, 2005, 9:24 pm


Marc Miller wrote:
> I'm no electrician so I thought I would post a question. What's the maximum
> draw
> that can be connected to a standard household circuit? I have a 200amp
> panel and just installed a circuit with numerous outlets and a fluorescent
> light fixture on a 15amp breaker with 12/2 Romex (Does that mean all
> equipment connected cannot exceed 15amps on this one circuit?). I put two
> duplex outlets
> together so I would have four connections in the basement, and then the wire
> was run to the garage to power the light as well as one duplex outlet. Just
> curious as I don't want to get in trouble.
>
> You hear about people starting fires by connecting too many appliances to
> one outlet. I don't think I have that problem but want to make sure. The
> only things connected in the basement are low draw appliances (high speed
> modem, two routers and an ac adapter to charge the house alarm battery).
> Thanks...
>
>
Your question is based on a false premise.
Connecting too many appliance to an outlet does
not cause fires. Connecting too many appliance
to an 0EXTENSION CORD causes fires because the
cord can't carry the current.

Outlets are on a house circuit which is protected
by a breaker. Too much current for the circuit
and the breaker trips--no fire. Put too many
appliance on a small cord, one that won't carry as
much current as a house circuit, and the circuit
breaker won't trip, the cord just gets hot and burns.


Posted by jim evans on July 25, 2005, 7:18 pm


>Marc Miller wrote:
>> I'm no electrician so I thought I would post a question. What's the maximum
>> draw
>> that can be connected to a standard household circuit? I have a 200amp
>> panel and just installed a circuit with numerous outlets and a fluorescent
>> light fixture on a 15amp breaker with 12/2 Romex (Does that mean all
>> equipment connected cannot exceed 15amps on this one circuit?). I put two
>> duplex outlets
>> together so I would have four connections in the basement, and then the wire
>> was run to the garage to power the light as well as one duplex outlet. Just
>> curious as I don't want to get in trouble.
>>
>> You hear about people starting fires by connecting too many appliances to
>> one outlet. I don't think I have that problem but want to make sure. The
>> only things connected in the basement are low draw appliances (high speed
>> modem, two routers and an ac adapter to charge the house alarm battery).

I'm not sure from your question if you understand it doesn't matter
how many things are connected to one outlet. It only matters how
many things are operating on the same circuit/breaker. If they are
not turned on they don't matter. If wired according to codes it
should not be possible to operate too many things on one circuit
because the breaker will trip, but good practice says it's best not to
draw more than about 12 amps on a 15 amp breaker.

jim


Posted by on July 28, 2005, 12:25 am


In alt.home.repair on Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:24:37 GMT "George E.

>Marc Miller wrote:
>> I'm no electrician so I thought I would post a question. What's the maximum
>> draw
>> that can be connected to a standard household circuit? I have a 200amp
>> panel and just installed a circuit with numerous outlets and a fluorescent
>> light fixture on a 15amp breaker with 12/2 Romex (Does that mean all
>> equipment connected cannot exceed 15amps on this one circuit?). I put two
>> duplex outlets
>> together so I would have four connections in the basement, and then the wire
>> was run to the garage to power the light as well as one duplex outlet. Just
>> curious as I don't want to get in trouble.
>>
>> You hear about people starting fires by connecting too many appliances to
>> one outlet. I don't think I have that problem but want to make sure. The
>> only things connected in the basement are low draw appliances (high speed
>> modem, two routers and an ac adapter to charge the house alarm battery).
>> Thanks...
>>
>>
>Your question is based on a false premise.
>Connecting too many appliance to an outlet does
>not cause fires. Connecting too many appliance
>to an 0EXTENSION CORD causes fires because the
>cord can't carry the current.
>
>Outlets are on a house circuit which is protected
>by a breaker. Too much current for the circuit
>and the breaker trips--no fire.

This isn't 100% true. In my case, I only had one room heater, maybe
10 or 12 amps (I still have it if anyone wants to know what it's rated
at.) connected to the receptacle and probably nothing more than a
clock running on the rest of the circuit.

I woke up in the morning and was amazed to see one or two inch flames
coming from the receptacle, where the cord was plugged in.

The problem was that the receptacle was from 1930, and the springiness
in the metal was gone, I think. The plug used flat prongs with no
springiness. But that apartment is still there 25 years later and I
doubt it was rewired. The receptacle continued to work fine for me
for a 150 watt tv, for years after.

The other problem was that my girlfriend was there with me, and as I'm
trying to grab hold of the cord, she kept tugging on my arm. Every
time I reached for it, she had just the right timing and tugged my arm
back. By the fourth try I was awake enough, and I applied more
strength than what is normally necessary to move just my arm, I
overpowered her, reached the cord, pulled it out of the wall, and the
fire went out in 3 or 4 seconds.

It was like a slapstick comedy, with the fire and my trying to put it
out and her stopping me.

Receptacles, some of them pretty old already, will continue to get old
and some will lose their springiness. I would be cautious about using
them, especially for high currents. I think when I used the heater
again, I had changed the plug with on that had the prongs folded back
on themselves, with a space within each prong, with great springiness,
and that worked fine. I also checked with my hand to make sure the
plug and wall were not hot at all. But I didn't need the heater more
than once or twice after that.


>Put too many
>appliance on a small cord, one that won't carry as
>much current as a house circuit, and the circuit
>breaker won't trip, the cord just gets hot and burns.



Posted by Waldo on July 28, 2005, 11:06 am




scorpion@noway.com wrote:
> In alt.home.repair on Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:24:37 GMT "George E.
>
>
>>

snipped
>>>
>>
>>Your question is based on a false premise.
>>Connecting too many appliance to an outlet does
>>not cause fires. Connecting too many appliance
>>to an 0EXTENSION CORD causes fires because the
>>cord can't carry the current.
>>
>>Outlets are on a house circuit which is protected
>>by a breaker. Too much current for the circuit
>>and the breaker trips--no fire.
>
>
> This isn't 100% true. In my case, I only had one room heater, maybe
> 10 or 12 amps (I still have it if anyone wants to know what it's rated
> at.) connected to the receptacle and probably nothing more than a
> clock running on the rest of the circuit.
>
Actually, it is 100% true. What you had was not an over-current
situation. You had a faulty connection that led to arcing at the
receptacle. Circuit breakers do not protect against this until the
wiring gets hot enough to melt the insulation and short out.
Arc fault receptacles are available to day, and required by some codes
in specific rooms, to protect against the situation you experienced.

> I woke up in the morning and was amazed to see one or two inch flames
> coming from the receptacle, where the cord was plugged in.
>
> The problem was that the receptacle was from 1930, and the springiness
> in the metal was gone, I think. The plug used flat prongs with no
> springiness. But that apartment is still there 25 years later and I
> doubt it was rewired. The receptacle continued to work fine for me
> for a 150 watt tv, for years after.
>
> The other problem was that my girlfriend was there with me, and as I'm
> trying to grab hold of the cord, she kept tugging on my arm. Every
> time I reached for it, she had just the right timing and tugged my arm
> back. By the fourth try I was awake enough, and I applied more
> strength than what is normally necessary to move just my arm, I
> overpowered her, reached the cord, pulled it out of the wall, and the
> fire went out in 3 or 4 seconds.
>
> It was like a slapstick comedy, with the fire and my trying to put it
> out and her stopping me.
>
> Receptacles, some of them pretty old already, will continue to get old
> and some will lose their springiness. I would be cautious about using
> them, especially for high currents. I think when I used the heater
> again, I had changed the plug with on that had the prongs folded back
> on themselves, with a space within each prong, with great springiness,
> and that worked fine. I also checked with my hand to make sure the
> plug and wall were not hot at all. But I didn't need the heater more
> than once or twice after that.
>
>
>
>>Put too many
>>appliance on a small cord, one that won't carry as
>>much current as a house circuit, and the circuit
>>breaker won't trip, the cord just gets hot and burns.
>
>


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