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My Roofing Experience Ron Sammons 04-13-2008
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Posted by Ron Sammons on April 13, 2008, 1:53 am
About 9 years ago the two 20 year old skylights on our 120 year old house
started to leak, and the 15 year old shingles looked wavy, and we
reluctantly began to think, a little, about getting a new roof.

Over a period of 9 years or so, we had 7 or 8 roofers come by and give an
estimate. All but two said the same thing:
        $5000 more or less; $6/sq foot for plywood as needed.

The first of the two exceptions was a two-man outfit who told me the house
had to have plywood nailed on before the shingles went on and that the job
would cost about 7500 (this was about 8 years ago).

I remember thinking that they fellow must be crazy since everybody else
gave a figure of 5000.

But we didn't do anything about the roof except to put down a plastic
bucket and, later, two plastic buckets, when it rained.

Finally, our next door neighbour had her roof done. Her house is a twin of
ours and is the same age. She told us it was costing her 9000+ and they
were going to sheath the house in plywood before putting on the shingles.
We thought that must be an unnecessary expense since all the other guys
only used plywood as needed.

While that job was going on, we thought maybe it was time to get the job
finally done, and called in a big local outfit that had a good reputation
according to the local newspaper poll.

The salesman was adamant that in a house as old as ours, it was necessary
to sheath the roof in plywood; and that as a standard thing they then
added felt, followed by the shingles. He quoted a figure of 9000+

We were shocked at the cost, but not quite as shocked as we would have
been if we hadn't seen the work being done on our neighbour's house: I
could see that they were using plywood and felt, and I could see that the
exposed roofboards looked like hell. I couldn't tell what ours looked like
because our attic is finished, but it seemed reasonable that they would be
in similar shape to those of our neighbour.

We called in another outfit that had also been given good marks in the
poll. Their salesman quoted the usual 5000/$6 per sq foot. By now, I had a
slightly different perspective and asked him if he thought felt might be
good to put on the roof before the shingles. He said that would be good
since it would make the roof 'smoother' - this is without any mention of
plywood. I then asked him about sheathing in plywood and he said that
could be done for $1900 or so.

After that, I realized that a roofer who is willing to be honest with you
about what is needed for a proper roofing job is a rare bird, and we
decided to have the first outfit do the job.

The roofers arrived in late March. They took 4 days to do the work, and
when I called to point out a small, almost invisible, 'skirt' they had
missed, came back the next day to finish. The gentleman who does the
flashing showed up the next day to flash the chimneys and back porch. The
roofing team was helpful and pleasant. All in all, the company could not
have been more professional, or exhibited more knowledge of the ins and
outs of the business, including how to make it as painless as possible for
the homeowners.

Given my vast ignorance, I feel we dodged a bullet and were damn lucky to
find the outfit that finally did the job.


Posted by buffalobill on April 13, 2008, 2:13 am
> About 9 years ago the two 20 year old skylights on our 120 year old house
> started to leak, and the 15 year old shingles looked wavy, and we
> reluctantly began to think, a little, about getting a new roof.
>
> Over a period of 9 years or so, we had 7 or 8 roofers come by and give an
> estimate. All but two said the same thing:
> $5000 more or less; $6/sq foot for plywood as needed.
>
> The first of the two exceptions was a two-man outfit who told me the house
> had to have plywood nailed on before the shingles went on and that the job
> would cost about 7500 (this was about 8 years ago).
>
> I remember thinking that they fellow must be crazy since everybody else
> gave a figure of 5000.
>
> But we didn't do anything about the roof except to put down a plastic
> bucket and, later, two plastic buckets, when it rained.
>
> Finally, our next door neighbour had her roof done. Her house is a twin of
> ours and is the same age. She told us it was costing her 9000+ and they
> were going to sheath the house in plywood before putting on the shingles.
> We thought that must be an unnecessary expense since all the other guys
> only used plywood as needed.
>
> While that job was going on, we thought maybe it was time to get the job
> finally done, and called in a big local outfit that had a good reputation
> according to the local newspaper poll.
>
> The salesman was adamant that in a house as old as ours, it was necessary
> to sheath the roof in plywood; and that as a standard thing they then
> added felt, followed by the shingles. He quoted a figure of 9000+
>
> We were shocked at the cost, but not quite as shocked as we would have
> been if we hadn't seen the work being done on our neighbour's house: I
> could see that they were using plywood and felt, and I could see that the
> exposed roofboards looked like hell. I couldn't tell what ours looked like
> because our attic is finished, but it seemed reasonable that they would be
> in similar shape to those of our neighbour.
>
> We called in another outfit that had also been given good marks in the
> poll. Their salesman quoted the usual 5000/$6 per sq foot. By now, I had a
> slightly different perspective and asked him if he thought felt might be
> good to put on the roof before the shingles. He said that would be good
> since it would make the roof 'smoother' - this is without any mention of
> plywood. I then asked him about sheathing in plywood and he said that
> could be done for $1900 or so.
>
> After that, I realized that a roofer who is willing to be honest with you
> about what is needed for a proper roofing job is a rare bird, and we
> decided to have the first outfit do the job.
>
> The roofers arrived in late March. They took 4 days to do the work, and
> when I called to point out a small, almost invisible, 'skirt' they had
> missed, came back the next day to finish. The gentleman who does the
> flashing showed up the next day to flash the chimneys and back porch. The
> roofing team was helpful and pleasant. All in all, the company could not
> have been more professional, or exhibited more knowledge of the ins and
> outs of the business, including how to make it as painless as possible for
> the homeowners.
>
> Given my vast ignorance, I feel we dodged a bullet and were damn lucky to
> find the outfit that finally did the job.

in buffalo ny i use [turn speakers off avoid music]:
http://www.trylock.com/
also, roof components vary by climate, see also:
http://www.buildingscienceconsulting.com/resources/

Posted by Big_Jake on April 13, 2008, 8:00 am
> About 9 years ago the two 20 year old skylights on our 120 year old house
> started to leak, and the 15 year old shingles looked wavy, and we
> reluctantly began to think, a little, about getting a new roof.
>
> Over a period of 9 years or so, we had 7 or 8 roofers come by and give an
> estimate. All but two said the same thing:
> $5000 more or less; $6/sq foot for plywood as needed.
>
> The first of the two exceptions was a two-man outfit who told me the house
> had to have plywood nailed on before the shingles went on and that the job
> would cost about 7500 (this was about 8 years ago).
>
> I remember thinking that they fellow must be crazy since everybody else
> gave a figure of 5000.
>
> But we didn't do anything about the roof except to put down a plastic
> bucket and, later, two plastic buckets, when it rained.
>
> Finally, our next door neighbour had her roof done. Her house is a twin of
> ours and is the same age. She told us it was costing her 9000+ and they
> were going to sheath the house in plywood before putting on the shingles.
> We thought that must be an unnecessary expense since all the other guys
> only used plywood as needed.
>
> While that job was going on, we thought maybe it was time to get the job
> finally done, and called in a big local outfit that had a good reputation
> according to the local newspaper poll.
>
> The salesman was adamant that in a house as old as ours, it was necessary
> to sheath the roof in plywood; and that as a standard thing they then
> added felt, followed by the shingles. He quoted a figure of 9000+
>
> We were shocked at the cost, but not quite as shocked as we would have
> been if we hadn't seen the work being done on our neighbour's house: I
> could see that they were using plywood and felt, and I could see that the
> exposed roofboards looked like hell. I couldn't tell what ours looked like
> because our attic is finished, but it seemed reasonable that they would be
> in similar shape to those of our neighbour.
>
> We called in another outfit that had also been given good marks in the
> poll. Their salesman quoted the usual 5000/$6 per sq foot. By now, I had a
> slightly different perspective and asked him if he thought felt might be
> good to put on the roof before the shingles. He said that would be good
> since it would make the roof 'smoother' - this is without any mention of
> plywood. I then asked him about sheathing in plywood and he said that
> could be done for $1900 or so.
>
> After that, I realized that a roofer who is willing to be honest with you
> about what is needed for a proper roofing job is a rare bird, and we
> decided to have the first outfit do the job.
>
> The roofers arrived in late March. They took 4 days to do the work, and
> when I called to point out a small, almost invisible, 'skirt' they had
> missed, came back the next day to finish. The gentleman who does the
> flashing showed up the next day to flash the chimneys and back porch. The
> roofing team was helpful and pleasant. All in all, the company could not
> have been more professional, or exhibited more knowledge of the ins and
> outs of the business, including how to make it as painless as possible for
> the homeowners.
>
> Given my vast ignorance, I feel we dodged a bullet and were damn lucky to
> find the outfit that finally did the job.

I am a landlord with several properties, most of them built between
1908 and 1930. Nearly all of them have cedar shakes at the base with
2-3 layers of asphalt shingles on top of the cedar. The sheathing at
the base of these roofs is generally 6-8" pine boards with about an
inch of space in between to allow the cedar to breathe. Once the all
the shingles and cedar are torn off, you need to sheathe over the
entire area with plywood to create a flat base to nail to. Without
plywood, you would have places where you couldn't nail the shingles
down, due to the gaps in the original sheathing.

I can't imagine anyone putting on a new roof without putting down felt
first. It should be standard practice.

JK

Posted by RicodJour on April 13, 2008, 10:09 am
>
> I can't imagine anyone putting on a new roof without putting down felt
> first. It should be standard practice.

Installing felt is cheap and quick, but some roofers insist that it is
not necessary since they'll reroof the house so quickly that the felt
is superfluous, and that the shingles keep the roof dry. Sounds
plausible, but it's a really bad idea to skip the felt. Not
installing the felt voids your shingle warranty. Kind of a stupid
thing to do when shingle life expectancy has gone up so much.

R

Posted by hallerb@aol.com on April 13, 2008, 10:42 am
>
>
>
> > I can't imagine anyone putting on a new roof without putting down felt
> > first. =EF=BF=BDIt should be standard practice.
>
> Installing felt is cheap and quick, but some roofers insist that it is
> not necessary since they'll reroof the house so quickly that the felt
> is superfluous, and that the shingles keep the roof dry. =EF=BF=BDSounds
> plausible, but it's a really bad idea to skip the felt. =EF=BF=BDNot
> installing the felt voids your shingle warranty. =EF=BF=BDKind of a stupid=

> thing to do when shingle life expectancy has gone up so much.
>
> R

OP is very luck he didnt have major home damage from tolerating long
term leak.........

that might have been fixed temporarily with roofing tar......

mold rot mildew and more were risked

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