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NM wiring question tr 11-15-2006
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Posted by tr on November 15, 2006, 2:26 pm


I have come across a NM type wire in my kitchen project I am not
familiar with. It is a heavy (1/2") cable that is feeding the fridge
and one counter outlet. The issue is the thickness of this
wire...which I have to reroute in the ceiling.

The wire is about twice as thick as current 12-3 NM cable...the
printing on the wire says :
Type NM Phelps Dodge PBX 12-3 - W - G 600 volt

Is this just the way they made 12-3 wire in the 70"s...or is this some
type of "special" wire ? Can I extend this within a properly grounded
electrical box with the current type of 12-3 NM wire ?

Thanks, TR


Posted by Doug Miller on November 15, 2006, 3:14 pm


>I have come across a NM type wire in my kitchen project I am not
>familiar with. It is a heavy (1/2") cable that is feeding the fridge
>and one counter outlet. The issue is the thickness of this
>wire...which I have to reroute in the ceiling.
>
>The wire is about twice as thick as current 12-3 NM cable...the
>printing on the wire says :
>Type NM Phelps Dodge PBX 12-3 - W - G 600 volt
>
>Is this just the way they made 12-3 wire in the 70"s...

Yes, and even into the mid-80s, three-conductor cables typically included
three "ropes" of twisted paper or polyester fiber spiraled with the
conductors. It gave the cables a fairly smooth surface, instead of the
rope-like surface that's typical now. 14-3 cable used to be about the same
outside diameter that 12-3 is now, and 12-3 was pretty darn fat.

>or is this some
>type of "special" wire ?

Probably not.

>Can I extend this within a properly grounded
>electrical box with the current type of 12-3 NM wire ?

I don't see any reason why not. What you describe is pretty well normal for
the older 12-3 cables.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Posted by Steve Barker LT on November 15, 2006, 8:01 pm


That's just the way they made it back then. compare the individual
conductors insulation to the new stuff. It's three times as thick.


--
Steve Barker



>I have come across a NM type wire in my kitchen project I am not
> familiar with. It is a heavy (1/2") cable that is feeding the fridge
> and one counter outlet. The issue is the thickness of this
> wire...which I have to reroute in the ceiling.
>
> The wire is about twice as thick as current 12-3 NM cable...the
> printing on the wire says :
> Type NM Phelps Dodge PBX 12-3 - W - G 600 volt
>
> Is this just the way they made 12-3 wire in the 70"s...or is this some
> type of "special" wire ? Can I extend this within a properly grounded
> electrical box with the current type of 12-3 NM wire ?
>
> Thanks, TR
>



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