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Posted by HeyBub on October 29, 2009, 2:56 pm
Bob F wrote:
> HeyBub wrote:
>> Jim Yanik wrote:
>>>>> Use of deadly force against a simple trespasser alone is never
>>>>> justified.
>>> how do you KNOW that a trespasser is a "simple" trespasser?
>>> Can you read minds?
>> Good question. The question that goes to the police, the prosecutor,
>> and, perhaps ultimately, to the jury is: "Would a reasonable person
>> in the same or similar circumstances have concluded the trespasser
>> was a threat?"
>> If the trespasser is in MY bedroom at 3:00 a.m., wearing a mask and
>> armed with a chainsaw, each of the above evaluators would probably
>> tilt in one direction. If, however, the deceased is a letter-carrier
>> with a signature-required letter in one hand and my door-knocker
>> gripped in the other, the decision might tip in the other way.
>> On the situations that fall between these two extremes, its probably
>> best to shoot first and tell the cops: "He screamed he was going to
>> kill me!"
>> Actually, it's probably better to tell the cops nothing. And there's
>> no requirement that you even HAVE to even CALL the cops. Maybe after
>> the ball game...
> Let us know how that works out for you.
What would you do?
You can't drag him out to the curb for "heavy trash pickup." That would
probably fall under "abuse of a corpse" which is against the law.
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Posted by charlie on October 29, 2009, 4:55 pm
> Bob F wrote:
>> HeyBub wrote:
>>> Jim Yanik wrote:
>>>>>> Use of deadly force against a simple trespasser alone is never
>>>>>> justified.
>>>> how do you KNOW that a trespasser is a "simple" trespasser?
>>>> Can you read minds?
>>> Good question. The question that goes to the police, the prosecutor,
>>> and, perhaps ultimately, to the jury is: "Would a reasonable person
>>> in the same or similar circumstances have concluded the trespasser
>>> was a threat?"
>>> If the trespasser is in MY bedroom at 3:00 a.m., wearing a mask and
>>> armed with a chainsaw, each of the above evaluators would probably
>>> tilt in one direction. If, however, the deceased is a letter-carrier
>>> with a signature-required letter in one hand and my door-knocker
>>> gripped in the other, the decision might tip in the other way.
>>> On the situations that fall between these two extremes, its probably
>>> best to shoot first and tell the cops: "He screamed he was going to
>>> kill me!"
>>> Actually, it's probably better to tell the cops nothing. And there's
>>> no requirement that you even HAVE to even CALL the cops. Maybe after
>>> the ball game...
>> Let us know how that works out for you.
> What would you do?
> You can't drag him out to the curb for "heavy trash pickup." That would
> probably fall under "abuse of a corpse" which is against the law.
further down, there's the thread about how to abandon an old well....
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Posted by Bob F on October 29, 2009, 5:09 pm
HeyBub wrote:
> Bob F wrote:
>> HeyBub wrote:
>>> Jim Yanik wrote:
>>>>>> Use of deadly force against a simple trespasser alone is never
>>>>>> justified.
>>>> how do you KNOW that a trespasser is a "simple" trespasser?
>>>> Can you read minds?
>>> Good question. The question that goes to the police, the prosecutor,
>>> and, perhaps ultimately, to the jury is: "Would a reasonable person
>>> in the same or similar circumstances have concluded the trespasser
>>> was a threat?"
>>> If the trespasser is in MY bedroom at 3:00 a.m., wearing a mask and
>>> armed with a chainsaw, each of the above evaluators would probably
>>> tilt in one direction. If, however, the deceased is a letter-carrier
>>> with a signature-required letter in one hand and my door-knocker
>>> gripped in the other, the decision might tip in the other way.
>>> On the situations that fall between these two extremes, its probably
>>> best to shoot first and tell the cops: "He screamed he was going to
>>> kill me!"
>>> Actually, it's probably better to tell the cops nothing. And there's
>>> no requirement that you even HAVE to even CALL the cops. Maybe after
>>> the ball game...
>> Let us know how that works out for you.
> What would you do?
Actually, I wouldn't shoot anyone in conditions that would require making up a
story.
Call the cops immediately.
> You can't drag him out to the curb for "heavy trash pickup." That
> would probably fall under "abuse of a corpse" which is against the
> law.
Ahhh. You do understand.
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Posted by HeyBub on October 29, 2009, 9:35 pm
Bob F wrote:
>> What would you do?
> Actually, I wouldn't shoot anyone in conditions that would require
> making up a story.
> Call the cops immediately.
>> You can't drag him out to the curb for "heavy trash pickup." That
>> would probably fall under "abuse of a corpse" which is against the
>> law.
> Ahhh. You do understand.
--- Newsgroup tasteless post spotted sometime back ---
I FOUND A NEGRO IN MY FAMILY TREE !!!
So I cut him down and put him out by the curb.
----- End of tasteless post. Honestly, I don't see how people get away with
uncouth things like that ---
Anyway, if you're gonna be all "responsible citizen" on us, your first call
should be to 911 for an AMBULANCE. The entire conversation should be:
"Gunshot victim, (address)." When the paramedics get there, THEY will call
the cops. That way you're not on the (recorded) hook for what you might say
to the police dispatcher.
Your SECOND call should be to your lawyer. If you don't have a lawyer, you
should complain to the paramedics about feeling faint, heart pounding, chest
pains, and priapism. They'll take you to the hospital so you can delay
talking to the cops until you have adequate advice.
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Posted by Kurt Ullman on October 30, 2009, 8:43 am
> Anyway, if you're gonna be all "responsible citizen" on us, your first call
> should be to 911 for an AMBULANCE. The entire conversation should be:
> "Gunshot victim, (address)." When the paramedics get there, THEY will call
> the cops. That way you're not on the (recorded) hook for what you might say
> to the police dispatcher.
If that is how they do it in your area, I would probably quit as a
medic. Everywhere else, you have a gunshot victim call they roll the
cops (probably quite a few) immediately along with the ambulance.
Depending on the area, there are some places where the ambulance
protocols say the cops should secure the area before the medics are
allowed in.
> Your SECOND call should be to your lawyer. If you don't have a lawyer, you
> should complain to the paramedics about feeling faint, heart pounding, chest
> pains, and priapism. They'll take you to the hospital so you can delay
> talking to the cops until you have adequate advice.
If you tell about priapism it has to be present for more than 4 hours
(g).
Or, you can tell the cops at the scene that you don't want to talk to
them until your attorney arrives. And don't fall for all that bunk
about how that makes you look guilty.
--
To find that place where the rats don't race
and the phones don't ring at all.
If once, you've slept on an island.
Scott Kirby "If once you've slept on an island"
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