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Need Fence advise: Wood + Chain link Jon 04-23-2008
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Posted by Jon on April 23, 2008, 3:55 pm
I need to replace the fence in my back yard. I currently have a 3'
chain link fence and I intend to reuse the same post positions (8'
span). Behind the fence, also on my property, are cedar hedges. My
back yard is 50'x50' with one of the four sides being the house and
gate.

I need to replace the fence because my dogs are escaping the yard.
I've already replaced the gate with a wooden one 7' tall. I want to
install a 7' fence around the entire yard (7' is my local residential
maximum height). Because I have cedar hedges that I enjoy, I'd like
to put in black or green chain link since the hedge will grown through
it and make it effectively invisible. Our current fence is invisible
because of this.

My first problem is the prices I'm being quoted for materials. Turns
out that around here anything over 5' is pretty much commercial
grade. That means steel posts and about 5x the cost of the
residential stuff. I'm thinking that instead of using metal posts for
the corner and line posts, I'd use wood. What do you think about
using a 10' 4x4 buried 3' deep for a chain link fence post? I would
make holes in the top to pass the top bar through and would attach the
chain link with flat brackets and screws. Has anyone seen this type
of installation before? As a bonus I could run an outdoor circuit and
have a decorative lantern on every second post (the wife will find
that purdy).

Second question is securing the posts. I live in Canada and the
ground freezes during the winter. I'm thinking of digging the holes 3
1/2', fill with 3' of gravel, 3' of concrete then put in and brace the
post and fill the rest of the hole with concrete. I'd also put the
wooden post in a plastic liner so it doesn't make direct contact with
the concrete and also mound the top to prevent water accumulation.
Does that sound excessive or just about right? Would you suggest
something different for the corner posts or line posts?

Third question is how large would you dig the post holes? I'm not
planning to use sonotube for these but would you go with a 6", 8" or
10" diameter hole?

Thanks!

Posted by Mike Paulsen on April 23, 2008, 5:39 pm
Jon wrote:
> I need to replace the fence in my back yard. I currently have a 3'
> chain link fence and I intend to reuse the same post positions (8'
> span). Behind the fence, also on my property, are cedar hedges. My
> back yard is 50'x50' with one of the four sides being the house and
> gate.
>
> I need to replace the fence because my dogs are escaping the yard.
(snip)

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Posted by Colbyt on April 23, 2008, 7:33 pm

>I need to replace the fence in my back yard. I currently have a 3'
> chain link fence and I intend to reuse the same post positions (8'
> span). Behind the fence, also on my property, are cedar hedges. My
> back yard is 50'x50' with one of the four sides being the house and
> gate.
>
> I need to replace the fence because my dogs are escaping the yard.
> I've already replaced the gate with a wooden one 7' tall. I want to
> install a 7' fence around the entire yard (7' is my local residential
> maximum height). Because I have cedar hedges that I enjoy, I'd like
> to put in black or green chain link since the hedge will grown through
> it and make it effectively invisible. Our current fence is invisible
> because of this.
>
> My first problem is the prices I'm being quoted for materials. Turns
> out that around here anything over 5' is pretty much commercial
> grade. That means steel posts and about 5x the cost of the
> residential stuff. I'm thinking that instead of using metal posts for
> the corner and line posts, I'd use wood. What do you think about
> using a 10' 4x4 buried 3' deep for a chain link fence post? I would
> make holes in the top to pass the top bar through and would attach the
> chain link with flat brackets and screws. Has anyone seen this type
> of installation before? As a bonus I could run an outdoor circuit and
> have a decorative lantern on every second post (the wife will find
> that purdy).
>
> Second question is securing the posts. I live in Canada and the
> ground freezes during the winter. I'm thinking of digging the holes 3
> 1/2', fill with 3' of gravel, 3' of concrete then put in and brace the
> post and fill the rest of the hole with concrete. I'd also put the
> wooden post in a plastic liner so it doesn't make direct contact with
> the concrete and also mound the top to prevent water accumulation.
> Does that sound excessive or just about right? Would you suggest
> something different for the corner posts or line posts?
>
> Third question is how large would you dig the post holes? I'm not
> planning to use sonotube for these but would you go with a 6", 8" or
> 10" diameter hole?
>
> Thanks!

Not what you want to hear. IMO, I would bite the bullet and do it properly
or I would not do it all all.

Even if you mange after much frustration to make it work, what have you done
for the resale value of your home?

What size dog needs a 7 foot fence???


--
Colbyt
Please come visit www.househomerepair.com



Posted by Red Green on April 23, 2008, 11:53 pm

>
> ..
>>I need to replace the fence in my back yard. I currently have a 3'
>> chain link fence and I intend to reuse the same post positions (8'
>> span). Behind the fence, also on my property, are cedar hedges. My
>> back yard is 50'x50' with one of the four sides being the house and
>> gate.
>>
>> I need to replace the fence because my dogs are escaping the yard.
>> I've already replaced the gate with a wooden one 7' tall. I want to
>> install a 7' fence around the entire yard (7' is my local residential
>> maximum height). Because I have cedar hedges that I enjoy, I'd like
>> to put in black or green chain link since the hedge will grown
>> through it and make it effectively invisible. Our current fence is
>> invisible because of this.
>>
>> My first problem is the prices I'm being quoted for materials. Turns
>> out that around here anything over 5' is pretty much commercial
>> grade. That means steel posts and about 5x the cost of the
>> residential stuff. I'm thinking that instead of using metal posts
>> for the corner and line posts, I'd use wood. What do you think about
>> using a 10' 4x4 buried 3' deep for a chain link fence post? I would
>> make holes in the top to pass the top bar through and would attach
>> the chain link with flat brackets and screws. Has anyone seen this
>> type of installation before? As a bonus I could run an outdoor
>> circuit and have a decorative lantern on every second post (the wife
>> will find that purdy).
>>
>> Second question is securing the posts. I live in Canada and the
>> ground freezes during the winter. I'm thinking of digging the holes
>> 3 1/2', fill with 3' of gravel, 3' of concrete then put in and brace
>> the post and fill the rest of the hole with concrete. I'd also put
>> the wooden post in a plastic liner so it doesn't make direct contact
>> with the concrete and also mound the top to prevent water
>> accumulation. Does that sound excessive or just about right? Would
>> you suggest something different for the corner posts or line posts?
>>
>> Third question is how large would you dig the post holes? I'm not
>> planning to use sonotube for these but would you go with a 6", 8" or
>> 10" diameter hole?
>>
>> Thanks!
>
> Not what you want to hear. IMO, I would bite the bullet and do it
> properly or I would not do it all all.
>
> Even if you mange after much frustration to make it work, what have
> you done for the resale value of your home?
>
> What size dog needs a 7 foot fence???
>
>


> What size dog needs a 7 foot fence???

Next door neighbor's dog a few years back. He's got is paws on a 4ft
chain link fence. Note I am standing erect, I am reaching upward some and
we are eye to eye. The cage in the background was when he was a "puppy"
in the house at night. His heart was as big as him.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=20frksg&s=3


Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on April 23, 2008, 9:34 pm

>
> My first problem is the prices I'm being quoted for materials. Turns
> out that around here anything over 5' is pretty much commercial
> grade. That means steel posts and about 5x the cost of the
> residential stuff. I'm thinking that instead of using metal posts for
> the corner and line posts, I'd use wood. What do you think about
> using a 10' 4x4 buried 3' deep for a chain link fence post?

Steel prices have gone through the roof the past couple of years. As for
the posts, I'd either use the metal or not bother doing the job. My guess
is the line posts may be OK for a few years, but the corner posts can be
trouble with the tension on them. .






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