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Need to replace Baseboard Heaters with ?? Scott Townsend 03-04-2008
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Posted by Scott Townsend on March 4, 2008, 3:57 pm
So we have a guest house that had 20 year old 220v electric Baseboard
heaters. Flip a few on and watch the Meter Fly!

So I'm looking to replace them with either another baseboard unit, or a Wall
unit.

We have one of the portable radiator type fin units filled with oil and I
like the way it can still heat after the oil's been warmed up.

Do they make a Baseboard heater that I can Mount to the Wall that does
something Similar? I do not want a Portable unit, I want something Fixed.

Any Suggestions?

Scott<-


Posted by Speedy Jim on March 4, 2008, 4:58 pm
Scott Townsend wrote:
> So we have a guest house that had 20 year old 220v electric Baseboard
> heaters. Flip a few on and watch the Meter Fly!
>
> So I'm looking to replace them with either another baseboard unit, or a
> Wall unit.
>
> We have one of the portable radiator type fin units filled with oil and
> I like the way it can still heat after the oil's been warmed up.
>
> Do they make a Baseboard heater that I can Mount to the Wall that does
> something Similar? I do not want a Portable unit, I want something Fixed.
>
> Any Suggestions?
>
> Scott<-


The question you want to be asking is how replacing
an electric heater with another electric heater
(oil-filled or not) is going to alter the spinning
of the meter.

<sarcasm off/>

If there is absolutely no other fuel source available,
focus on reducing heat loss (windows, wall/ceiling
insulation, etc.)

Jim

Posted by Scott Townsend on March 4, 2008, 7:39 pm
I expected more grief then that! ;-P

The old units look like this: http://tinyurl.com/ywbnz2

Pretty hideous.

If its all Apples to Apple, So maybe something like this then?
http://www.iap-home.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1788

I do like this unit though... Seems like the Hydronic would be more
efficient though.
http://www.iap-home.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1798
Waste the Energy heating the oil, then the oil still retains the heat.
Exhaust heaters once they are off, you are done...

Scott<-


> Scott Townsend wrote:
>> So we have a guest house that had 20 year old 220v electric Baseboard
>> heaters. Flip a few on and watch the Meter Fly!
>>
>> So I'm looking to replace them with either another baseboard unit, or a
>> Wall unit.
>>
>> We have one of the portable radiator type fin units filled with oil and I
>> like the way it can still heat after the oil's been warmed up.
>>
>> Do they make a Baseboard heater that I can Mount to the Wall that does
>> something Similar? I do not want a Portable unit, I want something
>> Fixed.
>>
>> Any Suggestions?
>>
>> Scott<-
>
>
> The question you want to be asking is how replacing
> an electric heater with another electric heater
> (oil-filled or not) is going to alter the spinning
> of the meter.
>
> <sarcasm off/>
>
> If there is absolutely no other fuel source available,
> focus on reducing heat loss (windows, wall/ceiling
> insulation, etc.)
>
> Jim


Posted by Speedy Jim on March 4, 2008, 8:07 pm
Scott Townsend wrote:
> I expected more grief then that! ;-P
>
> The old units look like this: http://tinyurl.com/ywbnz2
>
> Pretty hideous.
>
> If its all Apples to Apple, So maybe something like this then?
> http://www.iap-home.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1788
>
>
> I do like this unit though... Seems like the Hydronic would be more
> efficient though.
> http://www.iap-home.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1798
>
> Waste the Energy heating the oil, then the oil still retains the heat.
> Exhaust heaters once they are off, you are done...
>
> Scott<-


That ceiling heater will blow a blast of
very hot air down on you.

The Hydronic baseboard is nicer and air temps
will be much more suitable. But.....that one is only
1250 watts. Find out the total wattage of the unit
you're ripping out. That's (approx.) how many watts
you'll need.

All of these heaters, whether ceiling, plain baseboard
or baseboard Hydronic are 100% efficient (round numbers).
That means that everything passing thru your meter gets
turned into heat. (Of course, this ignores the fact that
the generating plant, if fossil-fired, is only 35% efficient.)

So, choose a heater which will be adequate size and that
will distribute the heat.

Head to the BigBox store and get draft-stopping supplies.
I'm sure the clerk could assist on that. For next season,
look into doing insulation in walls/ceilings. Only you can
factor in what the budget will support and how big a priority
it is.

Jim




>
>
>
>> Scott Townsend wrote:
>>
>>> So we have a guest house that had 20 year old 220v electric Baseboard
>>> heaters. Flip a few on and watch the Meter Fly!
>>>
>>> So I'm looking to replace them with either another baseboard unit, or
>>> a Wall unit.
>>>
>>> We have one of the portable radiator type fin units filled with oil
>>> and I like the way it can still heat after the oil's been warmed up.
>>>
>>> Do they make a Baseboard heater that I can Mount to the Wall that
>>> does something Similar? I do not want a Portable unit, I want
>>> something Fixed.
>>>
>>> Any Suggestions?
>>>
>>> Scott<-
>>
>>
>>
>> The question you want to be asking is how replacing
>> an electric heater with another electric heater
>> (oil-filled or not) is going to alter the spinning
>> of the meter.
>>
>> <sarcasm off/>
>>
>> If there is absolutely no other fuel source available,
>> focus on reducing heat loss (windows, wall/ceiling
>> insulation, etc.)
>>
>> Jim
>
>

Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on March 4, 2008, 9:47 pm

>I expected more grief then that! ;-P
>
> The old units look like this: http://tinyurl.com/ywbnz2
>
> Pretty hideous.
>
> If its all Apples to Apple, So maybe something like this then?
> http://www.iap-home.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1788
>
> I do like this unit though... Seems like the Hydronic would be more
> efficient though.
> http://www.iap-home.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1798
> Waste the Energy heating the oil, then the oil still retains the heat.
> Exhaust heaters once they are off, you are done...
>
> Scott<-

Let's start with the basic physics. It takes "x" amount of heat to make the
room comfortable. For example, you may need 5000 Btu per hour given the
outdoor temperature to maintain 68 degrees. If electric, that will be 1500
Watts per hour. That means the heater will run 100% of the time. Buy a
3000 watt heater and it will run 50% of the time.

Next is efficiency. All electric heaters are 100% efficient. All the heat
made by resistance is going into the room the heater is located. Gas or oil
heaters need to be ventilated so from a few percent to 30 percent of the
heat may be going up the chimney. In most areas, electric is the most
expensive form of energy. Here in New England, we pay 17¢ or so per kWh.

So, why choose one heater over the other? If you need that 1500 watts of
heat on the coldest day and the heat is on al the time, it may be nice and
comfy and cozy. if, OTOH, it is a 3000 watt heater it will run only half
the time so there will be some variations of room temperature as the heater
cycles off and on. How often id determined by the range of the thermostat.
Good ones will turn the heat on, then off, with a tiny temperature
fluctuation. On at 67.5, off at 68.5. Cheap ones may turn on at 66 and off
at 70.

The hydronic heaters are filled with a liquid adding thermal mass, just like
the radiators of years past. It took a little for them to get hot, but once
the boiler stopped, they kept giving off heat for some time keeping the room
steady and gently heated. In any case, the heat is not wasted, it is just
distributed over a longer time period and you tend to feel more comfy.

If you want to save money, I'd first seal up and insulated as best you can.
I'd also look at alternative fuels, such as propane or wood pellets. They
may or may not be cheaper or as convenient. There are web pages that allow
you to put in the cost of fuels and do comparisons.



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