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Need to replace wax ring? MiamiCuse 11-26-2006
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Posted by Sev on November 27, 2006, 12:54 pm



Hmmm, I was suggesting he bail it out because he is going away, people
_will_ flush it I suspect, but yeah, he should leave water in trap.
I understand his point about lifting it- would be good to get a
friend to help, he might crack tank if he tries by himself. Of course
it'a a pain to do this if not necessary- he'll be replacing bolts and
rubber gasket as well as wax ring.


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Posted by Bob F on November 27, 2006, 1:53 pm



>
> Hmmm, I was suggesting he bail it out because he is going away, people
> _will_ flush it I suspect, but yeah, he should leave water in trap.
> I understand his point about lifting it- would be good to get a
> friend to help, he might crack tank if he tries by himself. Of course
> it'a a pain to do this if not necessary- he'll be replacing bolts and
> rubber gasket as well as wax ring.

He shouldn't lift by the tank. Lift between the tank and the bowl.
It balances there. Lift it off, set it on blocks. scrape off the old
seal, set a new one in place on the drain, and set the toilet onto it.

Bob



Posted by krw on November 27, 2006, 4:00 pm


news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, aemeijers@att.net says...
>
> >
> >>
> (snip)
> or
> >>> a business trip and no time to deal with this at the moment. Should I
> >> bite
> >>> the bullet and do it, or can I "plug" up that hole and deal with it next
> >>> weekend and tell eveyone to not flush this toilet in the mean time?
> >>
> >> Why would you remove the tank? Just disconnect the water supply,
> >> unbolt the toilet from the floor, and lift it off. Clean off the old wax,
> >> and install it with a new ring.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I need to remove the tank because I am skinny at 125 pounds. The toilet
> > with tank is probably about 80 pounds and I cannot really hold the whole
> > thing steady for too long. Also if I turn the toilet upside down to put
> > in the new wax ring, wouldn't the tank be in the way and I am not sure
> > there is enough room between the glass shower door and the cabinet to
> > rotate the toilet around with the tank in place.
> I think we may have tripped over the problem here- every toilet install I
> have ever seen or done, they put the ring on the floor, and dropped the
> toilet down on it. I suspect you are moving the ring, or maybe catching the
> ring on the mounting bolt, as you manuver it in place.

I've never watched anyone else do it but the instructions for every
wax ring I've used say to attach the wax ring to the toilet horn
first.
>
> Yeah, whenever possible, most people do not split the tank and base. A PITA
> to get back together, and hard to get the correct torque on those bolts, in
> tight places.

I've always split the two. As long as I'm taking the damned thing
apart *everything* gets replaced, including the tank
bolts/washers/gasket. It's a lot easier dropping the bowl only
straight down on the bolts. It's far more balanced without the
tank on the back. It's not all that hard to separate the two,
unless the bolts are corroded. If they are, that's an even better
reason to replace them, while everything is apart.

--
Keith

Posted by Harry K on November 27, 2006, 9:55 pm



krw wrote:
> news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, aemeijers@att.net says...
> >
> > >
> > >>
> > (snip)
> > or
> > >>> a business trip and no time to deal with this at the moment. Should I
> > >> bite
> > >>> the bullet and do it, or can I "plug" up that hole and deal with it next
> > >>> weekend and tell eveyone to not flush this toilet in the mean time?
> > >>
> > >> Why would you remove the tank? Just disconnect the water supply,
> > >> unbolt the toilet from the floor, and lift it off. Clean off the old wax,
> > >> and install it with a new ring.
> > >>
> > >> Bob
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > I need to remove the tank because I am skinny at 125 pounds. The toilet
> > > with tank is probably about 80 pounds and I cannot really hold the whole
> > > thing steady for too long. Also if I turn the toilet upside down to put
> > > in the new wax ring, wouldn't the tank be in the way and I am not sure
> > > there is enough room between the glass shower door and the cabinet to
> > > rotate the toilet around with the tank in place.
> > I think we may have tripped over the problem here- every toilet install I
> > have ever seen or done, they put the ring on the floor, and dropped the
> > toilet down on it. I suspect you are moving the ring, or maybe catching the
> > ring on the mounting bolt, as you manuver it in place.
>
> I've never watched anyone else do it but the instructions for every
> wax ring I've used say to attach the wax ring to the toilet horn
> first.
> >
> > Yeah, whenever possible, most people do not split the tank and base. A PITA
> > to get back together, and hard to get the correct torque on those bolts, in
> > tight places.
>
> I've always split the two. As long as I'm taking the damned thing
> apart *everything* gets replaced, including the tank
> bolts/washers/gasket. It's a lot easier dropping the bowl only
> straight down on the bolts. It's far more balanced without the
> tank on the back. It's not all that hard to separate the two,
> unless the bolts are corroded. If they are, that's an even better
> reason to replace them, while everything is apart.
>
> --
> Keith

Same here. A toilet is unwieldly enough without being unbalanced by
teh tank. What's the big deal about removing it anyhow? Two bolts and
it is out of there and even those will usually spin free using fingers
after a few turns with a wrench to begin.

Forget the wax rings. "Fernco waxless toilet seal" is the way to go,
you will never use wax again. For those though, you do need to turn
the toilet upside down.

OP said it would be a 3 hour job. Wonder what he is doing with the
other 2 hours and even 1 hour is excessive.

Were it me in the same situation (no time), I would stuff something
into the toilet so noone would even accidently flush it.
Harry K


Posted by krw on November 28, 2006, 12:19 pm


turnkey4099@hotmail.com says...
>
> krw wrote:
> > news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, aemeijers@att.net says...
> > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > (snip)
> > > or
> > > >>> a business trip and no time to deal with this at the moment. Should I
> > > >> bite
> > > >>> the bullet and do it, or can I "plug" up that hole and deal with it
next
> > > >>> weekend and tell eveyone to not flush this toilet in the mean time?
> > > >>
> > > >> Why would you remove the tank? Just disconnect the water supply,
> > > >> unbolt the toilet from the floor, and lift it off. Clean off the old
wax,
> > > >> and install it with a new ring.
> > > >>
> > > >> Bob
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > I need to remove the tank because I am skinny at 125 pounds. The toilet
> > > > with tank is probably about 80 pounds and I cannot really hold the whole
> > > > thing steady for too long. Also if I turn the toilet upside down to put
> > > > in the new wax ring, wouldn't the tank be in the way and I am not sure
> > > > there is enough room between the glass shower door and the cabinet to
> > > > rotate the toilet around with the tank in place.
> > > I think we may have tripped over the problem here- every toilet install I
> > > have ever seen or done, they put the ring on the floor, and dropped the
> > > toilet down on it. I suspect you are moving the ring, or maybe catching the
> > > ring on the mounting bolt, as you manuver it in place.
> >
> > I've never watched anyone else do it but the instructions for every
> > wax ring I've used say to attach the wax ring to the toilet horn
> > first.
> > >
> > > Yeah, whenever possible, most people do not split the tank and base. A PITA
> > > to get back together, and hard to get the correct torque on those bolts, in
> > > tight places.
> >
> > I've always split the two. As long as I'm taking the damned thing
> > apart *everything* gets replaced, including the tank
> > bolts/washers/gasket. It's a lot easier dropping the bowl only
> > straight down on the bolts. It's far more balanced without the
> > tank on the back. It's not all that hard to separate the two,
> > unless the bolts are corroded. If they are, that's an even better
> > reason to replace them, while everything is apart.
> >
> > --
> > Keith
>
> Same here. A toilet is unwieldly enough without being unbalanced by
> teh tank. What's the big deal about removing it anyhow? Two bolts and
> it is out of there and even those will usually spin free using fingers
> after a few turns with a wrench to begin.

Two out of three of mine were corroded enough to have to be cut
off, one bad enough that the tank was leaking.
>
> Forget the wax rings. "Fernco waxless toilet seal" is the way to go,
> you will never use wax again. For those though, you do need to turn
> the toilet upside down.

I do that with the wax ring too. I make sure the bottom is clean
and the horn is free of old wax. I=3Fll look into the waxless seal
though (surprised someone hadn=3Ft come up with this long ago).
>
> OP said it would be a 3 hour job. Wonder what he is doing with the
> other 2 hours and even 1 hour is excessive.

I=3Fve spent (what seems like anyway) hours sawing off floor and tank
bolts. I=3Fve since found that a dremmel with a metal wheel works
wonders. ;-)

> Were it me in the same situation (no time), I would stuff something
> into the toilet so noone would even accidently flush it.

I think I=3Fd have some more say about what happens in the house
while I=3Fm gone. If the house is that far out of control, shut the
water off and remove the handle. THen warn the wife that any mess
is hers.

--
Keith

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