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New Basement Bathroom Plumbing Zoli 12-10-2006
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Posted by Zoli on December 10, 2006, 11:07 am


Hi,

I would like to build a bathroom in my basement.

I have a 3 inch copper vent (main stack), it's connected to a 3 inch
clay pipe (outside diameter is 4 inch) and this flows into a 4 inch
clay pipe (outside diameter is 5 inch)

I have some pics:
http://i11.tinypic.com/4h83zb6.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/2e1dbg0.jpg
I also have a plan how to create the bathroom:
http://i14.tinypic.com/2d6tjie.jpg

What do you think is this in accordance with the plumbing code?

I would like to cut out a portion of the clay and add 4 inch abs and 2
wye fittings.
Is it worth changing the whole clay pipe (where the concrete is broken)
or only a small portion which is necessary to add the new wye fittings?

Thank you


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Posted by Speedy Jim on December 10, 2006, 11:27 am


Zoli wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to build a bathroom in my basement.
>
> I have a 3 inch copper vent (main stack), it's connected to a 3 inch
> clay pipe (outside diameter is 4 inch) and this flows into a 4 inch
> clay pipe (outside diameter is 5 inch)
>
> I have some pics:
> http://i11.tinypic.com/4h83zb6.jpg
> http://i10.tinypic.com/2e1dbg0.jpg
> I also have a plan how to create the bathroom:
> http://i14.tinypic.com/2d6tjie.jpg
>
> What do you think is this in accordance with the plumbing code?
>
> I would like to cut out a portion of the clay and add 4 inch abs and 2
> wye fittings.
> Is it worth changing the whole clay pipe (where the concrete is broken)
> or only a small portion which is necessary to add the new wye fittings?
>
> Thank you
>

Lots o' ways to skin a cat, but from a glance:

Run the ABS from the clay all the way to the bottom
of the Cu stack. Support the stack before cutting;
it will be "heavy". I would put the C.O. at the
bottom of the Cu stack; I don't think you need
one in the bath.,

Run the new ABS branch as 3" all the way
into the new bath wall to pick up the 2 sinks
and the shower.

The bath sink trap should have its own vent
connection.

The TEE into the Cu stack must be turned "up".
Further, the existing soil stack can NOT be used
as a vent unless the vent connection is made *above*
the highest fixture (upstairs). I would snake
a 2" ABS vent (maybe 1 1/2") up thru the wall space
to reach a place to tie in.

You may be required to vent the shower drain separately.

How will you provide venting for the laundry fixture(s)?

Jim

Posted by Zoli on December 10, 2006, 3:56 pm


Thanks very much Jim for the quick answer.

I will put a separate vent for sink and shower.

How heavy is the copper vent? Can I use riser clamps to support that
pipe? One is enough? If I took out the 90 elbow would the copper vent
remain in place? Can I find a 3''x4'' 90 elbow?

For laundry I'll put a 1 1/2'' vent through ceiling studs and connect
to the bath vent.

For the vent I will put in a wye into the copper vent.

First I taught that I would put this type of fitting for the toilet:
http://i10.tinypic.com/34zkgms.jpg

It has a 2'' inlet. The shower and sink would flow in there. What do
you think?

The bottom of the copper vent has a cleanout.

Thanks
Zoli

Speedy Jim wrote:
> Zoli wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would like to build a bathroom in my basement.
> >
> > I have a 3 inch copper vent (main stack), it's connected to a 3 inch
> > clay pipe (outside diameter is 4 inch) and this flows into a 4 inch
> > clay pipe (outside diameter is 5 inch)
> >
> > I have some pics:
> > http://i11.tinypic.com/4h83zb6.jpg
> > http://i10.tinypic.com/2e1dbg0.jpg
> > I also have a plan how to create the bathroom:
> > http://i14.tinypic.com/2d6tjie.jpg
> >
> > What do you think is this in accordance with the plumbing code?
> >
> > I would like to cut out a portion of the clay and add 4 inch abs and 2
> > wye fittings.
> > Is it worth changing the whole clay pipe (where the concrete is broken)
> > or only a small portion which is necessary to add the new wye fittings?
> >
> > Thank you
> >
>
> Lots o' ways to skin a cat, but from a glance:
>
> Run the ABS from the clay all the way to the bottom
> of the Cu stack. Support the stack before cutting;
> it will be "heavy". I would put the C.O. at the
> bottom of the Cu stack; I don't think you need
> one in the bath.,
>
> Run the new ABS branch as 3" all the way
> into the new bath wall to pick up the 2 sinks
> and the shower.
>
> The bath sink trap should have its own vent
> connection.
>
> The TEE into the Cu stack must be turned "up".
> Further, the existing soil stack can NOT be used
> as a vent unless the vent connection is made *above*
> the highest fixture (upstairs). I would snake
> a 2" ABS vent (maybe 1 1/2") up thru the wall space
> to reach a place to tie in.
>
> You may be required to vent the shower drain separately.
>
> How will you provide venting for the laundry fixture(s)?
>
> Jim


Posted by Speedy Jim on December 10, 2006, 4:47 pm


Zoli wrote:

> Thanks very much Jim for the quick answer.
>
> I will put a separate vent for sink and shower.
>
> How heavy is the copper vent? Can I use riser clamps to support that
> pipe? One is enough? If I took out the 90 elbow would the copper vent
> remain in place? Can I find a 3''x4'' 90 elbow?

I assume that copper is a soil stack, not merely a a vent.

Use a Proflex coupling:
http://www.fernco.com/proflex.asp
3001-43          4" CI, PL. or ST. to 3" Copper          CK-43
to connect 4" ABS pipe to Cu
or you can get an ABS 4 X 3 EL
and use a CK-33.

The weight is (roughly) 2 lbs per foot length for 3" Cu.
Install riser clamps before cutting .



>
> For laundry I'll put a 1 1/2'' vent through ceiling studs and connect
> to the bath vent.
>
> For the vent I will put in a wye into the copper vent.
Or a San TEE turned up. But note my comment about not
connecting into the soil stack below existing fixtures.
>
> First I taught that I would put this type of fitting for the toilet:
> http://i10.tinypic.com/34zkgms.jpg
>
> It has a 2'' inlet. The shower and sink would flow in there. What do
> you think?
That's a heel-inlet. I don;t like them and probably prohibited.
>
> The bottom of the copper vent has a cleanout.
Sorry, I missed that.

<disclaimer>
Don't know where you live or if it's important,
but most cities will require a permit. In that case,
it's vital to review your plans with the inspector first.
>
> Thanks
> Zoli
>
> Speedy Jim wrote:
>
>>Zoli wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I would like to build a bathroom in my basement.
>>>
>>>I have a 3 inch copper vent (main stack), it's connected to a 3 inch
>>>clay pipe (outside diameter is 4 inch) and this flows into a 4 inch
>>>clay pipe (outside diameter is 5 inch)
>>>
>>>I have some pics:
>>>http://i11.tinypic.com/4h83zb6.jpg
>>>http://i10.tinypic.com/2e1dbg0.jpg
>>>I also have a plan how to create the bathroom:
>>>http://i14.tinypic.com/2d6tjie.jpg
>>>
>>>What do you think is this in accordance with the plumbing code?
>>>
>>>I would like to cut out a portion of the clay and add 4 inch abs and 2
>>>wye fittings.
>>>Is it worth changing the whole clay pipe (where the concrete is broken)
>>>or only a small portion which is necessary to add the new wye fittings?
>>>
>>>Thank you
>>>
>>
>> Lots o' ways to skin a cat, but from a glance:
>>
>> Run the ABS from the clay all the way to the bottom
>>of the Cu stack. Support the stack before cutting;
>>it will be "heavy". I would put the C.O. at the
>>bottom of the Cu stack; I don't think you need
>>one in the bath.,
>>
>> Run the new ABS branch as 3" all the way
>>into the new bath wall to pick up the 2 sinks
>>and the shower.
>>
>> The bath sink trap should have its own vent
>>connection.
>>
>> The TEE into the Cu stack must be turned "up".
>> Further, the existing soil stack can NOT be used
>> as a vent unless the vent connection is made *above*
>> the highest fixture (upstairs). I would snake
>> a 2" ABS vent (maybe 1 1/2") up thru the wall space
>> to reach a place to tie in.
>>
>> You may be required to vent the shower drain separately.
>>
>> How will you provide venting for the laundry fixture(s)?
>>
>>Jim
>
>

Posted by Zoli on December 10, 2006, 5:19 pm


Thanks Jim,

The copper is the soil stack. You're right.

I won't use the heel-inlet.

The vent will be about 3 feet above the lowest fixture.

What do you think about cutting out the lower part of the copper vent
(about 5 feet) and replace that with abs? In this case I don't need to
cut the copper again for the vent tee or wye.

Thanks again
Zoli

Speedy Jim wrote:
> Zoli wrote:
>
> > Thanks very much Jim for the quick answer.
> >
> > I will put a separate vent for sink and shower.
> >
> > How heavy is the copper vent? Can I use riser clamps to support that
> > pipe? One is enough? If I took out the 90 elbow would the copper vent
> > remain in place? Can I find a 3''x4'' 90 elbow?
>
> I assume that copper is a soil stack, not merely a a vent.
>
> Use a Proflex coupling:
> http://www.fernco.com/proflex.asp
> 3001-43          4" CI, PL. or ST. to 3" Copper          CK-43
> to connect 4" ABS pipe to Cu
> or you can get an ABS 4 X 3 EL
> and use a CK-33.
>
> The weight is (roughly) 2 lbs per foot length for 3" Cu.
> Install riser clamps before cutting .
>
>
>
> >
> > For laundry I'll put a 1 1/2'' vent through ceiling studs and connect
> > to the bath vent.
> >
> > For the vent I will put in a wye into the copper vent.
> Or a San TEE turned up. But note my comment about not
> connecting into the soil stack below existing fixtures.
> >
> > First I taught that I would put this type of fitting for the toilet:
> > http://i10.tinypic.com/34zkgms.jpg
> >
> > It has a 2'' inlet. The shower and sink would flow in there. What do
> > you think?
> That's a heel-inlet. I don;t like them and probably prohibited.
> >
> > The bottom of the copper vent has a cleanout.
> Sorry, I missed that.
>
> <disclaimer>
> Don't know where you live or if it's important,
> but most cities will require a permit. In that case,
> it's vital to review your plans with the inspector first.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Zoli
> >
> > Speedy Jim wrote:
> >
> >>Zoli wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>
> >>>I would like to build a bathroom in my basement.
> >>>
> >>>I have a 3 inch copper vent (main stack), it's connected to a 3 inch
> >>>clay pipe (outside diameter is 4 inch) and this flows into a 4 inch
> >>>clay pipe (outside diameter is 5 inch)
> >>>
> >>>I have some pics:
> >>>http://i11.tinypic.com/4h83zb6.jpg
> >>>http://i10.tinypic.com/2e1dbg0.jpg
> >>>I also have a plan how to create the bathroom:
> >>>http://i14.tinypic.com/2d6tjie.jpg
> >>>
> >>>What do you think is this in accordance with the plumbing code?
> >>>
> >>>I would like to cut out a portion of the clay and add 4 inch abs and 2
> >>>wye fittings.
> >>>Is it worth changing the whole clay pipe (where the concrete is broken)
> >>>or only a small portion which is necessary to add the new wye fittings?
> >>>
> >>>Thank you
> >>>
> >>
> >> Lots o' ways to skin a cat, but from a glance:
> >>
> >> Run the ABS from the clay all the way to the bottom
> >>of the Cu stack. Support the stack before cutting;
> >>it will be "heavy". I would put the C.O. at the
> >>bottom of the Cu stack; I don't think you need
> >>one in the bath.,
> >>
> >> Run the new ABS branch as 3" all the way
> >>into the new bath wall to pick up the 2 sinks
> >>and the shower.
> >>
> >> The bath sink trap should have its own vent
> >>connection.
> >>
> >> The TEE into the Cu stack must be turned "up".
> >> Further, the existing soil stack can NOT be used
> >> as a vent unless the vent connection is made *above*
> >> the highest fixture (upstairs). I would snake
> >> a 2" ABS vent (maybe 1 1/2") up thru the wall space
> >> to reach a place to tie in.
> >>
> >> You may be required to vent the shower drain separately.
> >>
> >> How will you provide venting for the laundry fixture(s)?
> >>
> >>Jim
> >
> >


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