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New Evaporator Coils necessary for new Condenser ? jay-n-123@verizon.net 05-06-2008
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Posted by Andy Energy on May 7, 2008, 9:34 am
> wrote:
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> > My mom's 22 year old 4 Ton 10-seer Carrier A/C condenser is shot. =A0Her=

> > furnace is relatively new.
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> > She wants to replace the old unt with a new Puron Carrier 4 ton condense=
r.
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> > One HVAC company is saying that they do not install new evaporator coils=

> > because it is unnecessary, and the efficiency will be around 12 or 13 if=
the
> > old coils are used with a 15 seer unit. =A0They say they have never had =
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> > problem with leaving the old evaporator coils in.
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> > Another HVAC company is saying that it is important to install new coils=

> > because the efficency won't be good, and also the unit will be under mor=
e
> > stress with the old coils and will likely only last for 4 years.
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> > Which of the two is correct?
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> > Thanks,
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> > J.
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> Even if it did work the seer increase you get from a new coil will
> make a major difference in your electric bill, and that you want. Have
> you checked how much you will save. do so, charts might be at Carrier.
> But one more point in upgrading you may not need 4 ton, but maybe 3
> ton,[ im just guessing here] did anybody do a load calculation or
> point that out to you. You have 10 seer, probably its 9 seer by now,
> its an energy hog, 15 seer is a big saver in electric costs. If it
> didnt run nearly constantly on the hottest days, you might have been
> oversized before. You need a load calculation in writing.- Hide quoted tex=
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A heat load such as manual J is critical to be sure the correct size
unit is installed. One of the items in a J is a blower door test.
This can be critical as one can guess at the ACH (Air Changes per
Hour) but I do not know anyone that can get this GUESS correct every
time. Test do not GUESS. Another test that is critical is the duct
leakage. I=92d say 1 of 20 homes we test have duct leakage high enough
our equipment cannot test it. Things such as building cavities used
for ducts, a common practice in many areas of the country during
certain years. So that 15 SEER can be compromised and a larger unit
will be needed. Tight ducts can be more important than a high
efficiency unit.

Be sure dampers are installed in all ducts to balance the unit.

Andy

Think Whole House Performance, it=92s the right thing to do=85

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Posted by Rick-Meister on May 6, 2008, 3:37 pm
I agree with Noon-air. They should put in a high efficiency evap coil,
even if you're staying with R-22 refrigerant. You MUST replace the if
you're moving to R410. If the first company is an authorized dealer
for a name brand company, they could lose their dealership for
recommending a hair brained combination like that.

The second company is correct that you need to install a matching
coil. Most of the high efficiency coils are oversized and then use a
thermostatic expansion valve to squeeze the most efficiency out of
them. However, if that's the way you go, make sure the blower motor
can provide the increased airflow demanded by the oversized coil.
Otherwise you'll get freeze up in humid weather.

Bottom line is you want a matched system.

You also need to change out the line set for the new refrigerant.


On Tue, 06 May 2008 17:50:41 GMT, "jay-n-123@verizon.net"

>My mom's 22 year old 4 Ton 10-seer Carrier A/C condenser is shot. Her
>furnace is relatively new.
>
>She wants to replace the old unt with a new Puron Carrier 4 ton condenser.
>
>One HVAC company is saying that they do not install new evaporator coils
>because it is unnecessary, and the efficiency will be around 12 or 13 if the
>old coils are used with a 15 seer unit. They say they have never had a
>problem with leaving the old evaporator coils in.
>
>Another HVAC company is saying that it is important to install new coils
>because the efficency won't be good, and also the unit will be under more
>stress with the old coils and will likely only last for 4 years.
>
>Which of the two is correct?
>
>Thanks,
>
>J.

Posted by Stormin Mormon on May 6, 2008, 8:00 pm
Sounds like you have some really interesting HVAC techs, there. Mix Puron
and R-22? Not a good idea. If it works at all, it won't work for long.

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My mom's 22 year old 4 Ton 10-seer Carrier A/C condenser is shot. Her
furnace is relatively new.

She wants to replace the old unt with a new Puron Carrier 4 ton condenser.

One HVAC company is saying that they do not install new evaporator coils
because it is unnecessary, and the efficiency will be around 12 or 13 if the
old coils are used with a 15 seer unit. They say they have never had a
problem with leaving the old evaporator coils in.

Another HVAC company is saying that it is important to install new coils
because the efficency won't be good, and also the unit will be under more
stress with the old coils and will likely only last for 4 years.

Which of the two is correct?

Thanks,

J.



Posted by KJPRO on May 7, 2008, 1:51 am

> Sounds like you have some really interesting HVAC techs, there. Mix Puron
> and R-22? Not a good idea. If it works at all, it won't work for long.


Are you visiting the area Stormy???
Sounds like something you'd do...



Posted by Katy-West Houston Air on August 27, 2008, 4:39 pm


Katy-West Houston Air had written this in response to
http://www.thestuccocompany.com/hvac/Re-New-Evaporator-Coils-necessary-for-new-Condenser-31920-.htm
:

Mixing R-22 and R410A is serious invitation for trouble. Once Mineraloil
mixes with the Polyolester oil you can just about guarantee compressor
failure after compressor failure. Using the old lineset is OK, but they
MUST be flushed with RX-11, and no chinching. We use a minimum of 1 can
per system after an inital high pressure nitrogen purge to insure all of
the old oil is stripped from the lines. We then follow up with a second
high pressure dry nitrogen purge to help remove any RX-11 liquid that may
be present in the lines and provide about a 2 hour vacuum to the system.
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KJPRO wrote:

> wrote in message
>> Sounds like you have some really interesting HVAC techs, there.
>> Mix Puron
>> and R-22? Not a good idea. If it works at all, it won't work for
>> long.


> Are you visiting the area Stormy???
> Sounds like something you'd do...







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