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Posted by Carolina Breeze HVAC on August 20, 2005, 9:59 pm
> Not giving you a hard time, MrKool. Just commenting on some of the things
> you have posted:
>
>
>> I sell Amana and Heil and Goodman, now, if you read around these groups
>> much, I believe Goodman is getting a bad rap for no reason, now before
>> they bought Amana, they were pretty cheaply made, but now, they're
>> copying some of Amana's tricks, so much so, they now look ALmost alike,
>> same color, dark gray, same compressor, main difference is the cabinet
>> design and some of the components, expansion valves or metering device,
>> GE or Emerson motors,
>> but after installing all 3 systems, I'd install a Goodman in my house
>> without question, maybe not a gas pack, but then I've had some of my
>> worst problems with Amana gas packs, mainly a bad run of leaking evap
>> coils, what a pain.
>
> Goodman got a bad rap (and they deserved it!) because they would sell unit
> to ANYONE off the street. That meant any Joe Blow that said "I know how to
> solder a pipe!" could pick one up and "install it". Now, I know everyone
> says it's not brain surgery or rocket science, but if you have poor
> methods like:
Goodman units are STILL crap.
I went to the local reps training..if you want to call it that, and I
swear..still using the same crap they were before..even the VS air handlers
are still the same crappy cheap stuff....sneeze on it and it dents.
>
> 1) Using soft (plummers) solder
> 2) not using nitrogen
> 3) not installing filter/driers
> 4) not using A VACUUM PUMP! (with proper manifold or micron guage)
> 5) not adjusting the charge after initial start up
> 6) etc., etc., etc......
>
> I see it all the time. Person calls up wanting their unit serviced because
> it's not working. Compressor is grounded out. "How can that be??!! It's
> only 2 years old!!!" Then you look at the soldered joints, lack of
> filter/drier, unit tilted towards the house, and just general piss-poor
> job of installation and you KNOW that someone that wanted to make a quick
> buck put it in. "Maam! This unit is under warranty. You need to all the
> guy that put it in." and she says "I've been calling him for 2 months and
> he doesn't return my calls". Why should he/she! They already got their
> money.
> The other thing is quality. I have seen 2 year-old units that have faded
> to a (almost) pink and just LOOK terrible after a short time. Maybe they
> have gotten better, but i am still not going to install one until they can
> prove to me they are making a better product.
>
>>
>> As far as Ruud and Rheem, they're the same unit, I've never like them,
>> after working on most brands, they seem to be one of the cheaply built
>> brands I've worked on.
>
> Rheem? Cheaply built??!!! I can take you to many a house that will have a
> 25 year old Rheem or Ruud that is still running and not a spec of rust on
> it (O.K., maybe the fan blade on some of the older ones). No offence, but
> to say Rheem is cheaply built and then praise Goodman??!!! You're crazy!
> My main problem with Rheem is they were bought out (by some foreign
> company) and they are getting to be a pain in the ass to deal with.
> Especially when it comes to getting parts.
>
>> Frigidare is slightly above the Rheem/Rudd
>
> Bullsh*t! (see above) Almost all of Nordyne's stuff (Frigidaire, Gibson,
> Tappan, Kelvinator, etc.) is cheaply made!
Amen...
>
> Hey! How 'bout them Maytag stainless units!!!
How about em..replaced two already..gotta love that so called unit
replacement warranty..LOL
>
>> brand as far as builds go, Lennox is almost a different animal
>> altogether, like their price, high,
>> and so is York and Trane, proprietary in their parts
>
> I'll agree with you on that (Sorry CarolinaBreeze Man! ;-] ). When I first
> started out, my boss installed Luxaires. I just remember going back to a
> unit after a year and it had looked like it had been through a war! Grill
> was completely rusted out, cabinet faded to some ungodly color, and
> NOISY!!! I hated those things!
Look...Luxaire is the Goodman of York.
I dont like them either....the cases ARE cheaper, the paint DOES fade.
However, I can bet that you were looking at prob an older BHR model..
Yorks new Affinity...nothings close to it that I have seen and I sell Trane
now too.
> .
>>
>> Stay away from Carrier/Bryant, worst line of units from them I've seen
>> in many years.
>
> I used to feel that way about 10 years ago. They had a real problem with
> piss-poor units: Accumulators on heatpumps would peel, rust and develope
> leaks within 5 years. Condensor coils would develope "stress cracks"
> (right where you can't even get to them to repair, which you shouldn't
> HAVE TO repair!), grills that would rust out in no time and look like
> sh*t.
> But now they have improved. We have installed a LOT of units over the past
> several years and have not had trouble with a one of them (O.K., a few of
> the ECM motor modules went bad, but that's about it). I have one in my
> house now for about 8 years and I haven't had to do a thing to it.
> I think out of all the brands we sell, I put Carrier at the top of the
> list. Second would have to be American Standard. Cabinets are not designed
> as nice as Trane, but they have been [retty dependable so far. No problems
> with them.
>
>
> As many have stated before, the brand is only 10% of the job. 90% is HOW
> IT IS INSTALLED!!!! Almost every brand now has an "upper line" in their
> models where they offer 5 years parts/ 10 years on the compressor. A buddy
> of mine (that has been trying to get my business) runs the Goodman
> warehouse (in the DC area) and says that they offer a LIFETIME guarranty
> on their compressors (for the original owner). I believe that is just on
> the higher seer equipment, but that's a good selling point as far as
> trying to get their reputation back with the contractors.
>
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