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New Residential Electrical Service Box Questions, Please Robert11 04-10-2008
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Posted by Robert11 on April 10, 2008, 10:23 am
Hello,

Will be replacing a quite old residential electrical service box with a new
150 or 200 amp one in the near future.

Haven't spoken to any electricians yet, but before I do, would like to gain
a bit of knowledge as to
what is state of the art, etc., these days.

e.g.,

a. What brand(s) do I want to ask for, and I guess what's more important,
which to stay away from ?

b. Square D still the preferred one to go with ?
If so, do they have a "good," "better," "best" kind of lineup ?
Which should I specify ? Much of a price difference between ?

c. Not sure what bells and whistles to ask about.
I guess I want GFE breakers somewhere.
Where should they be put in ?
Any potential problem in having one in the service box if there is already
one or two GFE's on outlets in the circuit ?

d. What about "Arc-Fault" breakers, which I've heard about.
What are they, and where would I want them ?

e. Is a ground rod required these days for the Gnd/Neutral, per Code ?
Presently, there doesn't seem to be one.

Much thanks; appreciate it.

Bob



Posted by Pete C. on April 10, 2008, 11:31 am

Robert11 wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Will be replacing a quite old residential electrical service box with a new
> 150 or 200 amp one in the near future.
>
> Haven't spoken to any electricians yet, but before I do, would like to gain
> a bit of knowledge as to
> what is state of the art, etc., these days.
>
> e.g.,
>
> a. What brand(s) do I want to ask for, and I guess what's more important,
> which to stay away from ?

Avoid stuff like Bryant like the plague.

>
> b. Square D still the preferred one to go with ?
> If so, do they have a "good," "better," "best" kind of lineup ?
> Which should I specify ? Much of a price difference between ?

Square D QO, not Square D Homeline. Not a huge price difference for a
basic residential panel, probably add $100 to the materials cost. Get a
40 space panel, they fill up a lot faster than you think.

>
> c. Not sure what bells and whistles to ask about.
> I guess I want GFE breakers somewhere.
> Where should they be put in ?
> Any potential problem in having one in the service box if there is already
> one or two GFE's on outlets in the circuit ?

Do not put GFCI breakers in the panel, they cost 4x what a GFCI outlet
does and don't provide any more protection. You will need to put AFCI
breakers on any circuits serving bedrooms, but the AFCI breakers are
more reasonably priced.

Other options to look at are the "Surge Breaker" surge suppresser, and
the generator interlock kit if you want to provide a connection point
for a generator.

>
> d. What about "Arc-Fault" breakers, which I've heard about.
> What are they, and where would I want them ?

Recent code requirement for circuits serving bedrooms.

>
> e. Is a ground rod required these days for the Gnd/Neutral, per Code ?
> Presently, there doesn't seem to be one.

Two 8' ground rods at least 6' apart.

>
> Much thanks; appreciate it.
>
> Bob

Posted by bud-- on April 11, 2008, 2:43 am
Pete C. wrote:
> Robert11 wrote:

If you are going to post to multiple newsgroups use crossposting so your
questions don't have to be answered multiple times.


>
>> d. What about "Arc-Fault" breakers, which I've heard about.
>> What are they, and where would I want them ?
>
> Recent code requirement for circuits serving bedrooms.

Vastly expanded in the 2008 NEC.

--
bud--

Posted by Joe on April 11, 2008, 10:24 am

>snip<.

> Two 8' ground rods at least 6' apart.
p
Not in all communities. Our power company specifies one ground rod.
Check with your power company and get acquainted with your local
building inspection department.
For a major panel replacement. consider the advantages of converting
to an underground service. Adds value to the property, input wiring is
heavier gage, less chance of storm damage, often lower insurance
rates, and looks much nicer. HTH

Joe

Posted by Wayne Whitney on April 11, 2008, 12:16 pm

>
> > Two 8' ground rods at least 6' apart.
>
> Not in all communities. Our power company specifies one ground rod.
> Check with your power company and get acquainted with your local
> building inspection department.

Well, the power company may only require one, but if you are under the
NEC, and if the ground rod is your only grounding electrode, then you
better drive two. For the NEC, one ground rod is adequate if you can
show that the resistance to ground is 25 ohms or less, but doing that
is way more expensive than driving a second ground rod, so everybody
drives two ground rods.

Cheers, Wayne

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