New asphalt shingle roof - some nails showing

Posted by Dan_Musicant on November 10, 2005, 9:25 am

They just finished my roof job, complete tearoff to skip sheathing and
installation of 50 year architectural asphalt composition shingles.
Mostly they seem to have done good work, but on the rather big north
dormer they got sloppy when nailing on the shingles and I saw many nail
heads, maybe 20 just looking around. I told the project manager about
this and he said they'd replace those shingles. Yesterday, the crew
chief came back with one other guy and replaced a bunch of the shingles.
I went up their after they left and still see quite a few nails, at
least 1/2 a dozen, and I didn't look very carefully. I believe these are
1.25" galvanized roofing nails and they put them in with a neumatic
nailer. Should I call them back? Should I just cover them with some
butyl rubber caulk (I have a tube) or a spot of black roofing cement (I
have a couple of gallons left)? I got a can of matching spray paint from
them, and I could squirt a shot of it on the nail heads or caulk/cement
to hide them and for whatever protection it's worth. Thanks.

Dan

Posted by Harry K on November 10, 2005, 10:08 am

Dan_Musicant wrote:

> They just finished my roof job, complete tearoff to skip sheathing and
> installation of 50 year architectural asphalt composition shingles.
> Mostly they seem to have done good work, but on the rather big north
> dormer they got sloppy when nailing on the shingles and I saw many nail
> heads, maybe 20 just looking around. I told the project manager about
> this and he said they'd replace those shingles. Yesterday, the crew
> chief came back with one other guy and replaced a bunch of the shingles.
> I went up their after they left and still see quite a few nails, at
> least 1/2 a dozen, and I didn't look very carefully. I believe these are
> 1.25" galvanized roofing nails and they put them in with a neumatic
> nailer. Should I call them back? Should I just cover them with some
> butyl rubber caulk (I have a tube) or a spot of black roofing cement (I
> have a couple of gallons left)? I got a can of matching spray paint from
> them, and I could squirt a shot of it on the nail heads or caulk/cement
> to hide them and for whatever protection it's worth. Thanks.
> Dan

There should be absolutely no nails showing except for the last shingle
on the ridges. Call them back and don't pay them until the job
satifies you. If they did a screw-up that big I would examine the roof
with a fine tooth comb for other idiotic errors.

Do not cover them up with anything. You have a ruined roof, you have
or will be paying for a 30 year roof, not somethign that is going to
leak.

Harry K

Posted by Dan_Musicant on November 10, 2005, 2:40 pm

wrote:

:
:Dan_Musicant wrote:

:> They just finished my roof job, complete tearoff to skip sheathing and
:> installation of 50 year architectural asphalt composition shingles.
:> Mostly they seem to have done good work, but on the rather big north
:> dormer they got sloppy when nailing on the shingles and I saw many nail
:> heads, maybe 20 just looking around. I told the project manager about
:> this and he said they'd replace those shingles. Yesterday, the crew
:> chief came back with one other guy and replaced a bunch of the shingles.
:> I went up their after they left and still see quite a few nails, at
:> least 1/2 a dozen, and I didn't look very carefully. I believe these are
:> 1.25" galvanized roofing nails and they put them in with a neumatic
:> nailer. Should I call them back? Should I just cover them with some
:> butyl rubber caulk (I have a tube) or a spot of black roofing cement (I
:> have a couple of gallons left)? I got a can of matching spray paint from
:> them, and I could squirt a shot of it on the nail heads or caulk/cement
:> to hide them and for whatever protection it's worth. Thanks.
:>
:> Dan

:
:There should be absolutely no nails showing except for the last shingle
:on the ridges. Call them back and don't pay them until the job
:satifies you. If they did a screw-up that big I would examine the roof
:with a fine tooth comb for other idiotic errors.
:
:Do not cover them up with anything. You have a ruined roof, you have
:or will be paying for a 30 year roof, not somethign that is going to
:leak.
:
:Harry K

I went up there and I think there must be 15, maybe more nails I can
see. If I can see the nail head under the above lapping shingle (without
touching anything) is that too much exposure? I figure water will get up
under that nail head if I can see it. I haven't called the roofer a
second time yet on this one. They sent a couple of guys out yesterday to
"replace" the shingles with exposed nails, but they certainly weren't
very circumspect - they didn't look around and make sure they'd gotten
them all, that's for sure! I asked the project manager if they'd done
everything and he asked me if I wanted to go up and check and I said
"no." Surely, he realized I'd check later. I had a lot of faith in those
guys but now I'm thinking it was maybe no warranted.

How serious is this situation? It's not just a 30 year roof, they put on
50 year shingles.

:"If they did a screw-up that big I would examine the roof
:with a fine tooth comb for other idiotic errors."

What kinds of errors can I check for?

How can they fix the errors? Do they have to tear off all those shingles
and put on all new shingles? Or are there ways they can replace only the
shingles affected? How can I be sure they aren't trying to reuse
shingles?

Right now, before I call them back I'm systematically going over the
whole roof and putting a piece of masking tape just above any nail head
I can see.

Thanks for the help!

Dan

Posted by Michael Daly on November 10, 2005, 6:38 pm

> They sent a couple of guys out yesterday to
> "replace" the shingles with exposed nails, but they certainly weren't
> very circumspect - they didn't look around and make sure they'd gotten
> them all, that's for sure!

I hate to say it, but this sounds really bad (DAMHIKT). They obviously
don't give a damn about their work (neither the workers nor the company).
Better put your lawyer on speed dial just in case.

I wish that there was a mechanism for putting companies like this out
of business for good. There's no excuse for shoddy work.

Mike

Posted by m Ransley on November 10, 2005, 7:14 pm

You can still pull a permit and ask for an immediate inspection, this
is always a good idea anyway as the inspection is paid for, and will
find any more mistakes the Hack Boys did before it is to late to be
fixed.

Don`t pay in full till you get the inspection and everything is fixed.

Photograph everything now.

Let the roofer know what you are doing and when you will pay. With a
few obvious mistakes you may have hidden ones , like the wrong felt ,
poorly done chimney flashing or rotted wood left in place.

Take your time to go over their work completely before you pay.

I have pulled late permits several times on situations like this and
got an inspection that helped resolve the issues.

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