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Octagonal Junction Boxes ted 11-09-2007
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Posted by Don Young on November 9, 2007, 10:40 pm

> The house I was raised in as a child in Niagara Falls, NY was built in
> 1928. NO K&T wiring when we moved in in 1941, but I believe there
> might have been. Screw type fuses in a box going down into the cellar.
> Electrical boxes, IIRC, were octagonal steel. There were a few of the
> screw type outlets with a little metal flap. I stuck my finger into at
> least one! Switches were dual push button type. Original service
> couldn't have been more than 50 amps. I believe it was upgraded to 100
> amps at one point when we lived there. Only major early electrical
> appliances were an electric stove and refrigerator. Later, we added a
> washer and dryer, which I remember required additional wiring. That
> might have been when the 100 amp service was added. I have been back
> to the house recently, and they have 200 amp service, and a LOT of
> rewiring has been done.
>
> My grandmother's house in Kansas, built in 1903 was K&T, later
> refitted to armored cable. The house was fitted with gas lights, and I
> assume some of the pipes might have been used for electrical conduit.
>
I worked as an electrician for an appliance store in the 50's. Common job
was replacing 120V service with two plug (screw-in) fuses and a knife main
switch (no main fuses) with a "main, range, and four" or "main, range, and
six" panel and 240V service. This was done when the customer bought an
electric range, usually. The main fuses were commonly 60A and the range
fuses were commonly 40A. Four or six fuses were usually 15A, although there
were some 20A circuits feeding kitchens and dining rooms.

Incidentally, knob and tube wiring was preferred for quite a while in areas
subject to flooding, particulary in riverside and lakeside cabins and
boathouses.

Don Young



Posted by Tom Horne on November 9, 2007, 10:21 pm
ted@schaarcommunications.com wrote:
> I know this is a thin slice but, I am doing a research project that
> involves octagonal electrical junction boxes. Does anyone know when
> these boxes were first used in America? According to a Wikipedia
> article, "knob and tube wiring (sometimes abbreviated K&T) was the
> earliest standardized method of electrical wiring in buildings, in
> common use from about 1880 to the 1930s." It appears to me that this
> approach didn't use junction boxes much so they probably didn't come
> on the scene until the thirties or so. Thanks in advance for any
> help. Ted
>

Ted
I've been an electrician for forty plus years. I've seen a lot of boxes
in knob and tube installations. The wire from the last knob/tube to the
box and from the box to the next knob/tube was in a woven tar
impregnated tube called loom. Many of these early boxes were black
painted common steel. They were actually round in shape. The shape was
changed to octagonal to better accommodate the lock nuts used to secure
threaded conduit to the boxes.
--
Tom Horne

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