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Posted by Tony on November 2, 2009, 12:14 pm
Charlie wrote:
> roger that, rb. But, doing web searches didn't yield anything other
> than ground loops be bad for audio equipment.
> Why particular dangerous?
I never heard of using a ground for a neutral being called a "ground
loop". Maybe it's a proper term, but I've never heard of it. A ground
loop as I was taught can occur with audio equipment when different
equipment hooked up together use two different paths to ground in the
panel. You get a 60 cycle hum.
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Posted by dpb on November 2, 2009, 12:29 pm
Tony wrote:
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> I never heard of using a ground for a neutral being called a "ground
> loop". ...
Because it isn't...as your post goes on to state.
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Posted by Mark on November 1, 2009, 9:45 pm
The other way to make this legal is to abandon one of the switches and tie
the light and fan together on the other: White to white, black to black and
ground to ground.
If there is another light in the room and you really don't need the light in
the fan, you could just wire it this way and then leave the bulb out so the
switch only operated the fan. I wouldn't leave the entire light
disconnected or the next owner will end up in the same kind of quandary -
what the heck is going on with this wiring!
>> Okay, I went back and checked the original connections... again.
>> As I described it, there was no return path, and hooking it all up
>> proved it - nothing worked.
>> So, the ground at the vent is not floating, it is tied to the return.
>> Near as I can tell, it's a cheap way of avoiding another run to the
>> hardware store for some 3-wire or another run. Am I looking at a
>> short-cut?
>> cg
> Not a shortcut, a non professional, dangerous mess. Get a piece of 14/3
> with ground and wire it correctly
>
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Posted by propman on November 1, 2009, 8:54 pm
Charlie wrote:
> Power to the switch box is supplied by a single two wire w/ground.
> The black wire is daisy chained to both single pole switches. The
> white wire is connected to ground in the switch box (???).
This point is weird enough! ;-)
>
> Now things get weird.
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Posted by JIMMIE on November 1, 2009, 11:13 pm
> I'm in the process of replacing a bathroom vent with light. =A0I mean,
> how hard can it be? =A0:) =A0In so doing, I have encountered some wiring
> that has me puzzled as to safety and function.
> What caught my attention was that I have a single, 2 wire w/ground
> running to the vent. =A0For two circuits? =A0Hmmm. =A0Let me see if I can
> describe this.
> Power to the switch box is supplied by a single two wire w/ground.
> The black wire is daisy chained to both single pole switches. =A0The
> white wire is connected to ground in the switch box (???).
> Now things get weird. =A0The 2 wire w/ground running into the ceiling
> has the following connections:
> - the black wire is connected to the fan switch and up to the vent
> fan;
> - the white wire is connected to the light switch and up to the vent
> light;
> - the ground is tied into all the other grounds.
> Up at the vent, we see the connections described as above; however,
> the ground is left floating in air.
> The weird part is that the vent white wires for the fan and light are
> connected together =A0(???).
> I don't see the return path such that this would work. =A0Is there
> something I am missing?
> Appreciate any feedback to this mess.
Sounds like someone is using the ground wire for a neutral. This
happens a lot usually in the case where someone adds a vent/light
where only a light was or adds a ceiling fan/light combo where only a
light was. This happens fairly often when someone is sprucing up a
house to sell.
Jimmie
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> than ground loops be bad for audio equipment.
> Why particular dangerous?