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Oil base vs water base bamabomb 06-24-2006
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Posted by chuckster on June 27, 2006, 8:44 pm
Ever hear of KILZ primer?? (its new) If I had 64 years painting
experience I would NEVER argue with the "rookies" and "unexperienced"
on the news group. I love the qoute of the week: "When in doubt, just
go ahead and do it your way!!" (I will remember this one the rest of my
life)




bamabomb wrote:
> PS: I have no idea why anyone would even want to fool with oil based
> paints to begin with when they make so many nice exterior water based
> polyurathanes that will protect decks etc...and there's also water
> seals that are water based. The clean up for oil base is far too much
> trouble. I even use a satin finish latex for woodwork...IF I want wood
> painted instead of stained. If stained, I use Johnson's wax for the
> final finish, but satin poly or gloss poly in water base can be used
> over water base stains.
> Sorry some don't like my answers but they have come through 50 years of
> experience that started with pamphlets from the paint stores over the
> years and advice from BIL who has benn in the paint business 40 years.
> I have been painting for 64 years. When in doubt, just go ahead and do
> it your way.
> Ether Jones wrote:
> > bamabomb wrote:
> >
> > > I can tell you that you never
> > > put water-base over oil-base...just the opposite. Save the oil-base for
> > > last.
> >
> > I have a porch that is painted with water-based (latex) paint.
> >
> > You are telling me I can apply an oil-based paint on top of that??
> > Please give me the name of one such product.


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Posted by bamabomb on June 27, 2006, 9:02 pm
Yes, I use KILZ when applying acrylic paint over oil based, but if I
put oil over acrylic I don't. The orginal question made no mention of
using any kind of primer. I often use Fresh Start if I am painting over
a surface someone has used an oil based paint on first. Kilz isn't new.
My BIL has had KILZ for years in his store...and yes, anyone who
doesn't trust what you say and prefers to do it his own way should
indeed do just that. You don't have to listen to anyone you don't wish
to. Advice is worth exactly what it costs. Life is short, do as you
please. (That's a better quote)
chuckster wrote:
> Ever hear of KILZ primer?? (its new) If I had 64 years painting
> experience I would NEVER argue with the "rookies" and "unexperienced"
> on the news group. I love the qoute of the week: "When in doubt, just
> go ahead and do it your way!!" (I will remember this one the rest of my
> life)
>
>
>
>
> bamabomb wrote:
> > PS: I have no idea why anyone would even want to fool with oil based
> > paints to begin with when they make so many nice exterior water based
> > polyurathanes that will protect decks etc...and there's also water
> > seals that are water based. The clean up for oil base is far too much
> > trouble. I even use a satin finish latex for woodwork...IF I want wood
> > painted instead of stained. If stained, I use Johnson's wax for the
> > final finish, but satin poly or gloss poly in water base can be used
> > over water base stains.
> > Sorry some don't like my answers but they have come through 50 years of
> > experience that started with pamphlets from the paint stores over the
> > years and advice from BIL who has benn in the paint business 40 years.
> > I have been painting for 64 years. When in doubt, just go ahead and do
> > it your way.
> > Ether Jones wrote:
> > > bamabomb wrote:
> > >
> > > > I can tell you that you never
> > > > put water-base over oil-base...just the opposite. Save the oil-base for
> > > > last.
> > >
> > > I have a porch that is painted with water-based (latex) paint.
> > >
> > > You are telling me I can apply an oil-based paint on top of that??
> > > Please give me the name of one such product.


Posted by bamabomb on June 27, 2006, 8:53 pm
I found this in one of my pamphlets that came with a bucket of paint I
use wall paint for my wall murals...some people want Alkyds, some want
latex, usuall after hearing the difference in price.

>>>If you will be using OIL finish paint, then you should use OIL based primer.
If you will be using LATEX finish paint then you can use LATEX or OIL primer.<<<

What I THINK does not matter. All I KNOW is what has worked for me all
these years. As far as painting the exterior of a whole house, I have
never done that, but I do know that the older the previous coat on the
house, the easier it is to use latex paint because of the chalk effect.
Oil paint is not advised in that case unless primed first, but I
believe the question was not about the exterior of a house, but a
deck...??? The best thing the painter can do is call a paint store
about decking products. That's a lot easier than argueing about it.
Painter, call your paint store. I will continue as I have for so long.
It works very well for me.

bamabomb wrote:
> PS: I have no idea why anyone would even want to fool with oil based
> paints to begin with when they make so many nice exterior water based
> polyurathanes that will protect decks etc...and there's also water
> seals that are water based. The clean up for oil base is far too much
> trouble. I even use a satin finish latex for woodwork...IF I want wood
> painted instead of stained. If stained, I use Johnson's wax for the
> final finish, but satin poly or gloss poly in water base can be used
> over water base stains.
> Sorry some don't like my answers but they have come through 50 years of
> experience that started with pamphlets from the paint stores over the
> years and advice from BIL who has benn in the paint business 40 years.
> I have been painting for 64 years. When in doubt, just go ahead and do
> it your way.
> Ether Jones wrote:
> > bamabomb wrote:
> >
> > > I can tell you that you never
> > > put water-base over oil-base...just the opposite. Save the oil-base for
> > > last.
> >
> > I have a porch that is painted with water-based (latex) paint.
> >
> > You are telling me I can apply an oil-based paint on top of that??
> > Please give me the name of one such product.


Posted by bamabomb on June 27, 2006, 8:53 pm
I found this in one of my pamphlets that came with a bucket of paint I
use wall paint for my wall murals...some people want Alkyds, some want
latex, usuall after hearing the difference in price.

>>>If you will be using OIL finish paint, then you should use OIL based primer.
If you will be using LATEX finish paint then you can use LATEX or OIL primer.<<<

What I THINK does not matter. All I KNOW is what has worked for me all
these years. As far as painting the exterior of a whole house, I have
never done that, but I do know that the older the previous coat on the
house, the easier it is to use latex paint because of the chalk effect.
Oil paint is not advised in that case unless primed first, but I
believe the question was not about the exterior of a house, but a
deck...??? The best thing the painter can do is call a paint store
about decking products. That's a lot easier than argueing about it.
Painter, call your paint store. I will continue as I have for so long.
It works very well for me.

bamabomb wrote:
> PS: I have no idea why anyone would even want to fool with oil based
> paints to begin with when they make so many nice exterior water based
> polyurathanes that will protect decks etc...and there's also water
> seals that are water based. The clean up for oil base is far too much
> trouble. I even use a satin finish latex for woodwork...IF I want wood
> painted instead of stained. If stained, I use Johnson's wax for the
> final finish, but satin poly or gloss poly in water base can be used
> over water base stains.
> Sorry some don't like my answers but they have come through 50 years of
> experience that started with pamphlets from the paint stores over the
> years and advice from BIL who has benn in the paint business 40 years.
> I have been painting for 64 years. When in doubt, just go ahead and do
> it your way.
> Ether Jones wrote:
> > bamabomb wrote:
> >
> > > I can tell you that you never
> > > put water-base over oil-base...just the opposite. Save the oil-base for
> > > last.
> >
> > I have a porch that is painted with water-based (latex) paint.
> >
> > You are telling me I can apply an oil-based paint on top of that??
> > Please give me the name of one such product.


Posted by m Ransley on June 27, 2006, 8:18 pm
What a bunch of crap bablebomb, Latex is painted over old homes with oil
everyday with 100% sucess, you Bablebomb, know knothing about the paint
business, you just bable crap.


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