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Posted by on August 19, 2006, 10:34 am
This group is always so helpful with suggestions I thought I'd get your
recommendations on exterior paint. My house is about 200 years old and
I have a mixture of old, scraped wood, and large sections of brand new
(raw wood) clapboards. Fifteen years ago I painted the house with one
coat of oil-based primer, and one coat of VERY expensive oil-based
paint. Although expensive, it went on great, covered like a dream, and
lasted for ten years. Unfortunately, I can't remember the brand name,
and the only store in town which sold it has closed.
Ten years ago I hired somene (first mistake, not doing it myself) to
scrape and paint. He prepped it ok, but then he used exterior latex
primer and exterior latex paint, one coat each. He used a cheapo house
brand from some big box store (second mistake, letting someone else
choose the paint) and it started peeling and fading within two years.
So...I'm finished with the prep on the old stuff, and the new sections
are almost in, so I need to paint. I considered stain, but then I'd
have to scrape all the old stuff down to raw wood, and most of the old
stuff really doesn't need that, and it would take me forever.
So, what do you recommend? I've seen some research touting "California"
paint, and one report saying it's the worst. Some old reports recommend
Sherwin Williams, but new reports say no. I really wish I could
remember the name of the oil-based stuff I used, but it's been 15 years
and paint formulas change.
Thanks for any recommendations.
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Posted by on August 19, 2006, 10:42 am
hil...@fashionsintime.com wrote:
> This group is always so helpful with suggestions I thought I'd get your
> recommendations on exterior paint. My house is about 200 years old and
> I have a mixture of old, scraped wood, and large sections of brand new
> (raw wood) clapboards. Fifteen years ago I painted the house with one
> coat of oil-based primer, and one coat of VERY expensive oil-based
> paint. Although expensive, it went on great, covered like a dream, and
> lasted for ten years. Unfortunately, I can't remember the brand name,
> and the only store in town which sold it has closed.
>
> Ten years ago I hired somene (first mistake, not doing it myself) to
> scrape and paint. He prepped it ok, but then he used exterior latex
> primer and exterior latex paint, one coat each. He used a cheapo house
> brand from some big box store (second mistake, letting someone else
> choose the paint) and it started peeling and fading within two years.
Something doesn't add up here. You say the oil based paint that went
on 15 years ago lasted 10 years and then that you had it scraped and
painted 10 years ago?
>
> So...I'm finished with the prep on the old stuff, and the new sections
> are almost in, so I need to paint. I considered stain, but then I'd
> have to scrape all the old stuff down to raw wood, and most of the old
> stuff really doesn't need that, and it would take me forever.
Stain is great for wood that has natural grain and character. A house
that has been painted for 200 years doesn't fit that description and
likely wouldn't look good even if you did strip the old stuff off,
which as you noted is a long and expensive project.
>
> So, what do you recommend? I've seen some research touting "California"
> paint, and one report saying it's the worst. Some old reports recommend
> Sherwin Williams, but new reports say no. I really wish I could
> remember the name of the oil-based stuff I used, but it's been 15 years
> and paint formulas change.
>
> Thanks for any recommendations.
I'd go to Consumer Reports website. They do actual testing, which may
not be perfect but I think it has validity, is consistent and is based
more on fact than personal opinion.
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Posted by on August 19, 2006, 10:59 am
trader4@optonline.net wrote:
> Something doesn't add up here. You say the oil based paint that went
> on 15 years ago lasted 10 years and then that you had it scraped and
> painted 10 years ago?
>
Yeah, that's wrong. I had it painted again 5 years ago. The first paint
lasted 10 years. I really should proof-read my posts!
> I'd go to Consumer Reports website. They do actual testing, which may
> not be perfect but I think it has validity, is consistent and is based
> more on fact than personal opinion.
Already did, but I'm a huge fan of personal recommendations, both good
and bad, from people who have used the product themselves.
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Posted by dpb on August 19, 2006, 11:08 am
hilary@fashionsintime.com wrote:
> This group is always so helpful with suggestions I thought I'd get your
> recommendations on exterior paint. My house is about 200 years old and
> I have a mixture of old, scraped wood, and large sections of brand new
> (raw wood) clapboards. Fifteen years ago I painted the house with one
> coat of oil-based primer, and one coat of VERY expensive oil-based
> paint. Although expensive, it went on great, covered like a dream, and
> lasted for ten years. Unfortunately, I can't remember the brand name,
> and the only store in town which sold it has closed.
Then how do you know it was the only one??? (Sorry, couldn't help
myself... :) )
...
> So, what do you recommend? I've seen some research touting "California"
> paint, and one report saying it's the worst. Some old reports recommend
> Sherwin Williams, but new reports say no. I really wish I could
> remember the name of the oil-based stuff I used, ...
IMO, as you've alluded to, the prep is far more significant than the
paint itself, given a good quality paint and imo there's not a
tremendous difference between manufacturers' as long as you're
comparing similarly priced products.
One thing is quite different since 10-15 years ago, and that is that it
is quite difficult to actually find oil-based topcoat paints these days
owing to (apparently) EPA rules. I'd go w/ an oil-based primer and a
good latex enamel topcoat.
Put the "lifetime" Sherwin-Williams on the church a few years ago after
the big hail--it's certainly holding up so far, but is also quite
pricey. I didn't go quite so expensive on the barn restoration project
and used the top-line Behr oil-based primer and latex topcoat since the
local S-W folks (the only independent paint dealer in town) didn't seem
to want to come off straight retail even for 80 gal primer and 120 gal
topcoat. :( Although owing the size we sprayed rather than brushed,
it went on and covered well and is holding up well (again, after three
years so is only beginning).
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Posted by Stubby on August 19, 2006, 2:15 pm
I repainted my trim using Benjamin Moore. That lasted only about 7
years. The current job used Sears "best" and it is still fine after at
least 5 years. The current coat is a semi-gloss alkyd enamel while the
first was a flat white latex. [editorial comment: I find everything
about Sears really poor these days. So, I think you will be lucky to
get good paint out of them!] Good luck.
hilary@fashionsintime.com wrote:
> This group is always so helpful with suggestions I thought I'd get your
> recommendations on exterior paint. My house is about 200 years old and
> I have a mixture of old, scraped wood, and large sections of brand new
> (raw wood) clapboards. Fifteen years ago I painted the house with one
> coat of oil-based primer, and one coat of VERY expensive oil-based
> paint. Although expensive, it went on great, covered like a dream, and
> lasted for ten years. Unfortunately, I can't remember the brand name,
> and the only store in town which sold it has closed.
>
> Ten years ago I hired somene (first mistake, not doing it myself) to
> scrape and paint. He prepped it ok, but then he used exterior latex
> primer and exterior latex paint, one coat each. He used a cheapo house
> brand from some big box store (second mistake, letting someone else
> choose the paint) and it started peeling and fading within two years.
>
> So...I'm finished with the prep on the old stuff, and the new sections
> are almost in, so I need to paint. I considered stain, but then I'd
> have to scrape all the old stuff down to raw wood, and most of the old
> stuff really doesn't need that, and it would take me forever.
>
> So, what do you recommend? I've seen some research touting "California"
> paint, and one report saying it's the worst. Some old reports recommend
> Sherwin Williams, but new reports say no. I really wish I could
> remember the name of the oil-based stuff I used, but it's been 15 years
> and paint formulas change.
>
> Thanks for any recommendations.
>
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