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Painters and Insurance Requirements WendyC88 06-02-2007
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Posted by Jackson on June 3, 2007, 10:30 am

> Hello. I am going to be looking for a painter to paint the trim of my
> house. What should I look for regarding insurance? My neighbor had
> someone fix her roof and he fell off his ladder and broke his arm. The
> company he worked for denied his work comp claim stating he is an
> independent contractor, so he sued my neighbor for medical and lost time.
> She went through hell before he stopped pursuing the claim and I want to
> be protected from this. Thanks

Depending on what part of the world you are in there is a very good
possibility that you can purchase a temporary or short term rider for your
homeowners policy to actually cover for such things like contractors working
on your home. While I would still recommend an inquiry re: insurance
coverage (both for liability for damage to your property and work comp) and
demand they provide proof of same, as you see you could end up in a battle
between you and their insurance carrier still. Purchasing the rider
automatically puts the battle between the insurance companies.



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Posted by dpb on June 3, 2007, 8:42 pm
>
>
> > Hello. I am going to be looking for a painter to paint the trim of my
> > house. What should I look for regarding insurance? My neighbor had
> > someone fix her roof and he fell off his ladder and broke his arm. The
> > company he worked for denied his work comp claim stating he is an
> > independent contractor, so he sued my neighbor for medical and lost time.
> > She went through hell before he stopped pursuing the claim and I want to
> > be protected from this. Thanks
>
> Depending on what part of the world you are in there is a very good
> possibility that you can purchase a temporary or short term rider for your
> homeowners policy to actually cover for such things like contractors working
> on your home. While I would still recommend an inquiry re: insurance
> coverage (both for liability for damage to your property and work comp) and
> demand they provide proof of same, as you see you could end up in a battle
> between you and their insurance carrier still. Purchasing the rider
> automatically puts the battle between the insurance companies.

Homeowners' policies already include liability...it would be most
unusual to have to add a separate rider to cover the homeowners'
ordinary liability for routine and usual types of home maintainance.
Assuming the homeowner has insurance already, the battle is already
between the insurance carriers--all the policy holder has to do is let
them know there's a problem (if and when one arises, even, which is
while not rare, less common than not)...

The problem here isn't the homeowner's problem -- it's the
contractor's and it's the prudent homeowner who ensures any potential
repair/maintenance work is done by licensed, bonded, insured
contractors...

--



Posted by Jackson on June 4, 2007, 11:52 pm

>>
>>
>> > Hello. I am going to be looking for a painter to paint the trim of my
>> > house. What should I look for regarding insurance? My neighbor had
>> > someone fix her roof and he fell off his ladder and broke his arm. The
>> > company he worked for denied his work comp claim stating he is an
>> > independent contractor, so he sued my neighbor for medical and lost
>> > time.
>> > She went through hell before he stopped pursuing the claim and I want
>> > to
>> > be protected from this. Thanks
>>
>> Depending on what part of the world you are in there is a very good
>> possibility that you can purchase a temporary or short term rider for
>> your
>> homeowners policy to actually cover for such things like contractors
>> working
>> on your home. While I would still recommend an inquiry re: insurance
>> coverage (both for liability for damage to your property and work comp)
>> and
>> demand they provide proof of same, as you see you could end up in a
>> battle
>> between you and their insurance carrier still. Purchasing the rider
>> automatically puts the battle between the insurance companies.
>
> Homeowners' policies already include liability...it would be most
> unusual to have to add a separate rider to cover the homeowners'
> ordinary liability for routine and usual types of home maintainance.
> Assuming the homeowner has insurance already, the battle is already
> between the insurance carriers--all the policy holder has to do is let
> them know there's a problem (if and when one arises, even, which is
> while not rare, less common than not)...
>
> The problem here isn't the homeowner's problem -- it's the
> contractor's and it's the prudent homeowner who ensures any potential
> repair/maintenance work is done by licensed, bonded, insured
> contractors...
>

In an ideal world you would be correct but - many homeowners have been sued,
some successfully, based on a contractor claiming that the homeowner was
negligent in maintain their property or some other such nonsense. In some
case your homeowner's liability may not cover such claims or may not be high
enough coverage.



Posted by dpb on June 5, 2007, 8:22 am

Jackson wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hello. I am going to be looking for a painter to paint the trim of my
> >> > house. What should I look for regarding insurance? My neighbor had
> >> > someone fix her roof and he fell off his ladder and broke his arm. The
> >> > company he worked for denied his work comp claim stating he is an
> >> > independent contractor, so he sued my neighbor for medical and lost
> >> > time.
> >> > She went through hell before he stopped pursuing the claim and I want
> >> > to
> >> > be protected from this. Thanks
> >>
> >> Depending on what part of the world you are in there is a very good
> >> possibility that you can purchase a temporary or short term rider for
> >> your
> >> homeowners policy to actually cover for such things like contractors
> >> working
> >> on your home. While I would still recommend an inquiry re: insurance
> >> coverage (both for liability for damage to your property and work comp)
> >> and
> >> demand they provide proof of same, as you see you could end up in a
> >> battle
> >> between you and their insurance carrier still. Purchasing the rider
> >> automatically puts the battle between the insurance companies.
> >
> > Homeowners' policies already include liability...it would be most
> > unusual to have to add a separate rider to cover the homeowners'
> > ordinary liability for routine and usual types of home maintainance.
> > Assuming the homeowner has insurance already, the battle is already
> > between the insurance carriers--all the policy holder has to do is let
> > them know there's a problem (if and when one arises, even, which is
> > while not rare, less common than not)...
> >
> > The problem here isn't the homeowner's problem -- it's the
> > contractor's and it's the prudent homeowner who ensures any potential
> > repair/maintenance work is done by licensed, bonded, insured
> > contractors...
> >
>
> In an ideal world you would be correct but - many homeowners have been sued,
> some successfully, based on a contractor claiming that the homeowner was
> negligent in maintain their property or some other such nonsense. In some
> case your homeowner's liability may not cover such claims or may not be high
> enough coverage.

The point is not that some doofus can't/won't sue...anybody can sue
anybody for anything and all the insurance riders in the world can't/
won't prevent them from filing the suit.

The point is that it is the insurance carrier who will be the one
defending the suit/paying any judgement as long as the homeowner
followed the terms of the policy -- which mainly means they didn't do
something _really_ egregious in which case the rider won't help anyway
because it's going to have the same kind of caveats in it as does the
main policy.

If the homeowner is simply under-insured, that's a different question/
issue. I certainly agree all homeowners ought to be aware of and have
ample coverage for foreseeable events, but that needs to be an "all
the time" thing, not just something special.

The rider would be very unlikely to be anything in addition as far as
coverage than a standard homeowners' policy unless the condition to be
covered is _very_ unique -- and at the moment, for the types of things
under discussion in this thread of ordinary routine maintenance, I
can't come up with a scenario that would seem to warrant an additional
rider other than the coverage limit issue, perhaps.

Again, imo the best insurance against having a problem is to ensure
the contractor is reputable and is bonded, etc. Your insurance is
then the fallback position...

--


Posted by Steve B on June 5, 2007, 10:48 am
>>> > Hello. I am going to be looking for a painter to paint the trim of my
>>> > house. What should I look for regarding insurance? My neighbor had
>>> > someone fix her roof and he fell off his ladder and broke his arm.
>>> > The
>>> > company he worked for denied his work comp claim stating he is an
>>> > independent contractor, so he sued my neighbor for medical and lost
>>> > time.
>>> > She went through hell before he stopped pursuing the claim and I want
>>> > to
>>> > be protected from this. Thanks

Hire a licensed contractor. Have their insurance company send you a copy of
their certificate. DO NOT accept one from the contractor, as they are easy
to fake. That being said, the insurance will cover the worker. But, they
can still sue your homeowner's policy for damages if they can prove that you
caused an unsafe condition while they were on the project. Bottom line,
they will sue if they smell money. End of story ......... they may not
collect, but it will cost you a lot to defend yourself. Many insurance
companies just settle to take the shortest solution. Good luck.

And people wonder why some prefer to use cheap day laborers for menial work.

Steve



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