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Painting (not Staining) Pressure Treated Lumber frank1492 06-01-2007
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Posted by frank1492 on June 1, 2007, 4:05 pm
I am removing the boards on an old back porch (dimensions about 4X8.)
The existing boards are true 1" thick 5" wide tongue and groove that
date back about 60 years. The porch is basically a "farmers' porch"
with a roof but no enclosure.
Having examined several options including the use of T&G fir
flooring, I have decided to use 6" decking boards as these have
exactly the right thickness and the 10' lengths that are best for the
dimensions of the porch. (The boards will need to be cut to 49 1/2
inches. I wish they could be 48" but they're not.)
Ideally I'd like non-pressure treated, but try to find them!
These need to be painted, not stained, to match the charcteristics
of the house, built in the 20's. I know that PT is not even the best
for stain, but is there any hope for paint? Does anyone know
any one who has done this, what they did, and if they had any
success?
My other thought would be to use composite and paint that,
but I don't know if I'd gain anything and it would be much more
expensive.
Any ideas are warmly appreciated. Thank you!
Frank

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Posted by professorpaul on June 1, 2007, 5:07 pm
I have used opaque latex stains on decks. Works fine. I have also
<gasp> painted PT stock with latex paint. In both cases, the wood had
weathered for about a year. Don't know if that makes a difference.


Posted by BobK207 on June 1, 2007, 5:33 pm
> I have used opaque latex stains on decks. Works fine. I have also
> <gasp> painted PT stock with latex paint. In both cases, the wood had
> weathered for about a year. Don't know if that makes a difference.

Most PT lumber comes pretty wet from the supplier. Paint goes best on
dry wood, un-weathered wood (best adhesion)

so what you got is conflicting requirements......PT comes weather,
allowing to "weather" (really alllowing it to dry) gives better
adhesion than wet timber, weathering (UV exposure) degrades surface
wood fibers (reduces adhesion)



Best of all worlds....dry PT stock but good luck finding it :(

Or you could just install wet & let dry...since your porch is covered,
depending on exposure, you might not get much UV exposure.

cheers
Bob


Posted by hallerb@aol.com on June 1, 2007, 6:45 pm
>
> > I have used opaque latex stains on decks. Works fine. I have also
> > <gasp> painted PT stock with latex paint. In both cases, the wood had
> > weathered for about a year. Don't know if that makes a difference.
>
> Most PT lumber comes pretty wet from the supplier. =A0Paint goes best on
> dry wood, un-weathered wood (best adhesion)
>
> so what you got is conflicting =A0requirements......PT comes weather,
> allowing to "weather" (really alllowing it to dry) gives better
> adhesion than wet timber, weathering (UV exposure) degrades surface
> wood fibers (reduces adhesion)
>
> Best of all worlds....dry PT stock but good luck finding it =A0 :(
>
> Or you could just install wet & let dry...since your porch is covered,
> depending on exposure, you might not get much UV exposure.
>
> cheers
> Bob

PT wood even stained expands and contracts way too much. After a
couple years it will look HORRIBLE. PT does all sorts of wierd stuff
l;ike barber poll. The treatment makes it much more likely to expand
and contract

Have a family friend who replaced their deck this year because their
dad painted the PT wood. the wood was good physically but appearance
YUK.

Solid stain is a much better choice.

Its my strong belief one day PT will be treated like asbestos with
guys in moon suits taking it away along with the soil under the deck

presently kids shouldnt get under PT wood because the dirt is
contaminated with chemicals.


Posted by BobK207 on June 1, 2007, 11:19 pm
>
>
>
>
> > > I have used opaque latex stains on decks. Works fine. I have also
> > > <gasp> painted PT stock with latex paint. In both cases, the wood had
> > > weathered for about a year. Don't know if that makes a difference.
>
> > Most PT lumber comes pretty wet from the supplier. ?Paint goes best on
> > dry wood, un-weathered wood (best adhesion)
>
> > so what you got is conflicting ?requirements......PT comes weather,
> > allowing to "weather" (really alllowing it to dry) gives better
> > adhesion than wet timber, weathering (UV exposure) degrades surface
> > wood fibers (reduces adhesion)
>
> > Best of all worlds....dry PT stock but good luck finding it ? :(
>
> > Or you could just install wet & let dry...since your porch is covered,
> > depending on exposure, you might not get much UV exposure.
>
> > cheers
> > Bob
>
> PT wood even stained expands and contracts way too much. After a
> couple years it will look HORRIBLE. PT does all sorts of wierd stuff
> l;ike barber poll. The treatment makes it much more likely to expand
> and contract
>
> Have a family friend who replaced their deck this year because their
> dad painted the PT wood. the wood was good physically but appearance
> YUK.
>
> Solid stain is a much better choice.
>
> Its my strong belief one day PT will be treated like asbestos with
> guys in moon suits taking it away along with the soil under the deck
>
> presently kids shouldnt get under PT wood because the dirt is
> contaminated with chemicals.

HB-

Please explain

......The treatment makes it much more likely to expand
and contract ..............

PT treatment can change fundamental behavior of the wood?

Don't get me wrong.....I'm not a fan of PT but my experiment with PT
has been that PT'd DougFir is dimensionally stable but the more
typical HemFir that ships nearly dripping wet, twists & bows as it
dries.

Treaters prefer the HemFir because it treats quicker (at least that's
what I was told)

When used as mud sill & anchored in place it tends to behave itself


OP-

We used to stack & sticker green framing timber (2x's & 4s's) put a
cluster of 20" box fans on the end of the stack & blow air though it
24/7 for a couple weeks to get the moisture content down near 12%
This was indoors in SoCal....YMMV depending on local weather.

PT'd HemFir would really dry qucikly but I's hate to see the resulting
bows & twists. We ordered about 20% extra on our framing materail so
we could dump the un-usable ones.

cheers
Bob



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