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Posted by dnoyeB on May 29, 2007, 10:53 am
On Fri, 25 May 2007 14:51:02 -0700, Geo wrote:

> As those of you who read my initial post know, I'm in the process of
> digging out a hole for a paver patio that is outside the walkout
> basement - which happens to be the low spot of the property. To
> recap, I just removed an old
> slab of cement outside the walkout door and as I was digging about 10"
> down a water puddle formed along the foundation and I ran in to (what
> I thought was) a drainage pipe. This pipe runs parallel to the
> foundation about 10" below the level of the basement floor. I
> presumed the water drained from this pipe to the sump.
>

Can you connect this pipe to the sump? If so, now is a good time.

> As it turns out the previously mentioned pipe turns out to be an old 5
> foot piece of 2.5" pvc that was half under the old concrete slab at
> the doorway with the other half just covered by dirt and gravel. The
> pipe was sitting on gravel and was atop plastic and parallel to the
> house against the foundation. It looks like it was intentionally laid
> this way. The thing is the pipe does not connect to anything. It's
> just 5 feet of pipe lating there. I can remove it.
>
> Which brings me to the next problem. Why is there water pooling
> against the foundation. Granted, it's below the level of the basement
> floor, but I'm not sure that I can lay a patio atop it. Does this
> water pooling suggest that the drain tile is not working correctly or
> is this a natural type of occurence? next, can I safely put a paver
> on top of it? The water doesn't seem to get any higher than a certain
> level. Even if I try to fill the hole it seems to seep in the
> ground. It doesn't rise. For patio purposes I suppose I could back
> fill the hole with gravel, pack it - that would get me about 10", then
> the subbase of the patio wouldbe another 5" with a 1" sand base and
> 2.5" paver stone.
>
> I'm at a loss here.


Water would be pooling because you are deep enough in the ground vs. your
local water table. AND your weeping tile is not connected to anything.
Can you contact the builder about that? probably they need to fix that.
Builder may not even know that was done. Perhaps plumber was skimping and
neighbors have this setup as well..

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Posted by Geo on May 29, 2007, 1:29 pm
> On Fri, 25 May 2007 14:51:02 -0700, Geo wrote:
> > As those of you who read my initial post know, I'm in the process of
> > digging out a hole for a paver patio that is outside the walkout
> > basement - which happens to be the low spot of the property. To
> > recap, I just removed an old
> > slab of cement outside the walkout door and as I was digging about 10"
> > down a water puddle formed along the foundation and I ran in to (what
> > I thought was) a drainage pipe. This pipe runs parallel to the
> > foundation about 10" below the level of the basement floor. I
> > presumed the water drained from this pipe to the sump.
>
> Can you connect this pipe to the sump? If so, now is a good time.
>
>
>
> > As it turns out the previously mentioned pipe turns out to be an old 5
> > foot piece of 2.5" pvc that was half under the old concrete slab at
> > the doorway with the other half just covered by dirt and gravel. The
> > pipe was sitting on gravel and was atop plastic and parallel to the
> > house against the foundation. It looks like it was intentionally laid
> > this way. The thing is the pipe does not connect to anything. It's
> > just 5 feet of pipe lating there. I can remove it.
>
> > Which brings me to the next problem. Why is there water pooling
> > against the foundation. Granted, it's below the level of the basement
> > floor, but I'm not sure that I can lay a patio atop it. Does this
> > water pooling suggest that the drain tile is not working correctly or
> > is this a natural type of occurence? next, can I safely put a paver
> > on top of it? The water doesn't seem to get any higher than a certain
> > level. Even if I try to fill the hole it seems to seep in the
> > ground. It doesn't rise. For patio purposes I suppose I could back
> > fill the hole with gravel, pack it - that would get me about 10", then
> > the subbase of the patio wouldbe another 5" with a 1" sand base and
> > 2.5" paver stone.
>
> > I'm at a loss here.
>
> Water would be pooling because you are deep enough in the ground vs. your
> local water table. AND your weeping tile is not connected to anything.
> Can you contact the builder about that? probably they need to fix that.
> Builder may not even know that was done. Perhaps plumber was skimping and
> neighbors have this setup as well..

And it gets even more interesting. I decided to do more digging
(literally) and I found the drain tile on one side of the walkout door
and it just ends - not covered, nothing. Reached in it to clean out
the sediment that formed. So, what I know so far is what it looks
like below:

| o
| o
| o
---------------------------|walkout door|------- o
/o o

/|\
|
drain tile ends

Should drainage tiles be connected all the way around the house even
with the low point of the property being where the walkout door is
located?


Posted by Geo on May 29, 2007, 1:32 pm
> On Fri, 25 May 2007 14:51:02 -0700, Geo wrote:
> > As those of you who read my initial post know, I'm in the process of
> > digging out a hole for a paver patio that is outside the walkout
> > basement - which happens to be the low spot of the property. To
> > recap, I just removed an old
> > slab of cement outside the walkout door and as I was digging about 10"
> > down a water puddle formed along the foundation and I ran in to (what
> > I thought was) a drainage pipe. This pipe runs parallel to the
> > foundation about 10" below the level of the basement floor. I
> > presumed the water drained from this pipe to the sump.
>
> Can you connect this pipe to the sump? If so, now is a good time.
>
>
>
> > As it turns out the previously mentioned pipe turns out to be an old 5
> > foot piece of 2.5" pvc that was half under the old concrete slab at
> > the doorway with the other half just covered by dirt and gravel. The
> > pipe was sitting on gravel and was atop plastic and parallel to the
> > house against the foundation. It looks like it was intentionally laid
> > this way. The thing is the pipe does not connect to anything. It's
> > just 5 feet of pipe lating there. I can remove it.
>
> > Which brings me to the next problem. Why is there water pooling
> > against the foundation. Granted, it's below the level of the basement
> > floor, but I'm not sure that I can lay a patio atop it. Does this
> > water pooling suggest that the drain tile is not working correctly or
> > is this a natural type of occurence? next, can I safely put a paver
> > on top of it? The water doesn't seem to get any higher than a certain
> > level. Even if I try to fill the hole it seems to seep in the
> > ground. It doesn't rise. For patio purposes I suppose I could back
> > fill the hole with gravel, pack it - that would get me about 10", then
> > the subbase of the patio wouldbe another 5" with a 1" sand base and
> > 2.5" paver stone.
>
> > I'm at a loss here.
>
> Water would be pooling because you are deep enough in the ground vs. your
> local water table. AND your weeping tile is not connected to anything.
> Can you contact the builder about that? probably they need to fix that.
> Builder may not even know that was done. Perhaps plumber was skimping and
> neighbors have this setup as well..

And it gets even more interesting. I decided to do more digging
(literally) and I found the drain tile on one side of the walkout door
and it just ends - not covered, nothing. Reached in it to clean out
the sediment that formed. So, what I know so far is what it looks
like below:

| o
| o
| o
---------------------------|walkout door|------- o
/o o

/|\
|
drain tile ends

Should drainage tiles be connected all the way around the house even
with the low point of the property being where the walkout door is
located?


Posted by Geo on May 29, 2007, 1:33 pm
> On Fri, 25 May 2007 14:51:02 -0700, Geo wrote:
> > As those of you who read my initial post know, I'm in the process of
> > digging out a hole for a paver patio that is outside the walkout
> > basement - which happens to be the low spot of the property. To
> > recap, I just removed an old
> > slab of cement outside the walkout door and as I was digging about 10"
> > down a water puddle formed along the foundation and I ran in to (what
> > I thought was) a drainage pipe. This pipe runs parallel to the
> > foundation about 10" below the level of the basement floor. I
> > presumed the water drained from this pipe to the sump.
>
> Can you connect this pipe to the sump? If so, now is a good time.
>
>
>
> > As it turns out the previously mentioned pipe turns out to be an old 5
> > foot piece of 2.5" pvc that was half under the old concrete slab at
> > the doorway with the other half just covered by dirt and gravel. The
> > pipe was sitting on gravel and was atop plastic and parallel to the
> > house against the foundation. It looks like it was intentionally laid
> > this way. The thing is the pipe does not connect to anything. It's
> > just 5 feet of pipe lating there. I can remove it.
>
> > Which brings me to the next problem. Why is there water pooling
> > against the foundation. Granted, it's below the level of the basement
> > floor, but I'm not sure that I can lay a patio atop it. Does this
> > water pooling suggest that the drain tile is not working correctly or
> > is this a natural type of occurence? next, can I safely put a paver
> > on top of it? The water doesn't seem to get any higher than a certain
> > level. Even if I try to fill the hole it seems to seep in the
> > ground. It doesn't rise. For patio purposes I suppose I could back
> > fill the hole with gravel, pack it - that would get me about 10", then
> > the subbase of the patio wouldbe another 5" with a 1" sand base and
> > 2.5" paver stone.
>
> > I'm at a loss here.
>
> Water would be pooling because you are deep enough in the ground vs. your
> local water table. AND your weeping tile is not connected to anything.
> Can you contact the builder about that? probably they need to fix that.
> Builder may not even know that was done. Perhaps plumber was skimping and
> neighbors have this setup as well..

And it gets even more interesting. I decided to do more digging
(literally) and I found the drain tile on one side of the walkout door
and it just ends - not covered, nothing. Reached in it to clean out
the sediment that formed. So, what I know so far is what it looks
like below:

| o
| o
| o
-------------------|walkout door|------- o
/o o

/|\
|
drain tile ends

Should drainage tiles be connected all the way around the house even
with the low point of the property being where the walkout door is
located?


Posted by Geo on May 29, 2007, 1:37 pm
> On Fri, 25 May 2007 14:51:02 -0700, Geo wrote:
> > As those of you who read my initial post know, I'm in the process of
> > digging out a hole for a paver patio that is outside the walkout
> > basement - which happens to be the low spot of the property. To
> > recap, I just removed an old
> > slab of cement outside the walkout door and as I was digging about 10"
> > down a water puddle formed along the foundation and I ran in to (what
> > I thought was) a drainage pipe. This pipe runs parallel to the
> > foundation about 10" below the level of the basement floor. I
> > presumed the water drained from this pipe to the sump.
>
> Can you connect this pipe to the sump? If so, now is a good time.
>
>
>
> > As it turns out the previously mentioned pipe turns out to be an old 5
> > foot piece of 2.5" pvc that was half under the old concrete slab at
> > the doorway with the other half just covered by dirt and gravel. The
> > pipe was sitting on gravel and was atop plastic and parallel to the
> > house against the foundation. It looks like it was intentionally laid
> > this way. The thing is the pipe does not connect to anything. It's
> > just 5 feet of pipe lating there. I can remove it.
>
> > Which brings me to the next problem. Why is there water pooling
> > against the foundation. Granted, it's below the level of the basement
> > floor, but I'm not sure that I can lay a patio atop it. Does this
> > water pooling suggest that the drain tile is not working correctly or
> > is this a natural type of occurence? next, can I safely put a paver
> > on top of it? The water doesn't seem to get any higher than a certain
> > level. Even if I try to fill the hole it seems to seep in the
> > ground. It doesn't rise. For patio purposes I suppose I could back
> > fill the hole with gravel, pack it - that would get me about 10", then
> > the subbase of the patio wouldbe another 5" with a 1" sand base and
> > 2.5" paver stone.
>
> > I'm at a loss here.
>
> Water would be pooling because you are deep enough in the ground vs. your
> local water table. AND your weeping tile is not connected to anything.
> Can you contact the builder about that? probably they need to fix that.
> Builder may not even know that was done. Perhaps plumber was skimping and
> neighbors have this setup as well..

And it gets even more interesting. I decided to do more digging
(literally) and I found the drain tile on one side of the walkout
door
and it just ends - not covered, nothing. Reached in it to clean out
the sediment that formed. So, what I know so far is what it looks
like below:
| o
| o
| o
--------------|walkout door|------- o
/o o
/|\
|
drain tile ends
Should drainage tiles be connected all the way around the house even
with the low point of the property being where the walkout door is
located?


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