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Phone Lines and Electrical Wiring JWJWJ 11-24-2006
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Posted by DerbyDad03 on November 24, 2006, 10:48 pm


I realize the original post was about phone wire, but I'd be interested
to see a data analyzer hooked up to some cat 5 data cables that were
run next to electrical wires. I'd be curious as to how many dropped
packets and retransmissions due to errors would occur. The average
user might not ever notice a problem but errors like these increase
network traffic and would drive a network engineer up a wall.


Pete C. wrote:
> "J.A. Michel" wrote:
> >
> > Others will tell you different, but I have ran phone, cat5e and Romex all
> > together. In fact, when I wired my garage, the phone cable (I used cat5e
> > cable) was ziptied to the main run of Romex cables for the whole garage. No
> > problems with it at all. My phone cable is brought to my house hanging
> > underneath the main lines, and people want you to believe that a 120V cable
> > is going to cause a interference problem. nada!
>
> It would if you were using the old four wire, non twisted cat 0 phone
> wire. Since you are using cat 5 wire which is twisted pair the twist
> cancels out the common mode interference that would most certainly have
> been picked up with the old untwisted wire.
>
> As for the drop to the house which is likely non twisted drop cable, it
> is not in close enough proximity to be a problem. The magnetic field
> that induces interference drops off in strength rapidly with distance.
>
> Pete C.


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Posted by on November 24, 2006, 11:37 pm


wrote:

>I realize the original post was about phone wire, but I'd be interested
>to see a data analyzer hooked up to some cat 5 data cables that were
>run next to electrical wires. I'd be curious as to how many dropped
>packets and retransmissions due to errors would occur. The average
>user might not ever notice a problem but errors like these increase
>network traffic and would drive a network engineer up a wall.
At 100mz I say ZERO. I have not tried the 1gz LAN. I did a lot of
testing with Ethernet and Token Ring cables in my old office. I was
not able to reproduce any of the urban legend "interferance" with
flourecent light ballasts, mixing phone and data or paralleling 60hz
power lines.
This was using the IBM LAN sniffer program and the normal office
traffic on the LAN along with me shipping big files around.

Posted by on November 25, 2006, 12:32 am


>On residential new construction, how close can a interior phone line be to
>electrical wiring without being affected by electromagnetics? Can they
>cross each other?

Thye can be right next to each other abd touching without any
electrical interference, but it won't meet code on safety.


--
Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm@charm.net

Posted by Seth Goodman on November 25, 2006, 1:48 am


2006 23:32:51 -0600, wrote:

> >On residential new construction, how close can a interior phone line be to
> >electrical wiring without being affected by electromagnetics? Can they
> >cross each other?
>
> Thye can be right next to each other abd touching without any
> electrical interference, but it won't meet code on safety.

Not sure about the interference, but you're right about not meeting
code. The NEC, in Sec. 800.133, specifies a 2 inch separation between
"communication cables" and power cables unless the cables are somehow
physically separated, such as by a conduit.

--
Seth Goodman

Posted by on November 25, 2006, 2:03 am


wrote:

>Not sure about the interference, but you're right about not meeting
>code. The NEC, in Sec. 800.133, specifies a 2 inch separation between
>"communication cables" and power cables unless the cables are somehow
>physically separated, such as by a conduit.
Read 800.133(A)(2)exception 1, the jacket of NM cable is "separation".
The 2" refers to individual conductors.

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