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Phone line ques/problem saag 07-19-2006
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Posted by saag on July 19, 2006, 10:22 am
I suddenly have heavy noise/static on every phone in the house. Any
calls to the house result in busy signals. We can't make outside
calls. I also have DSL which is still working.

When I plugged a phone into the jack on the network box on the outside,
it worked so it's not the phone company. There is a black cable that
runs from the network box into my basement. There is also a phone line
that runs from the box into my basement.

The phone line cable was used years ago for a 2nd line. That service
was turned off years ago. The black cable runs to a black plate of
sorts that has 4 screws. The red/green wires are attached to it and a
line runs from it to something that looks like a mini network box.

All the phonelines in my house attach to this 'mini network box'. It
has a phone plug plus 4 screws. I attached a phone to this plug and
it also works from there.

My 1st idea is to detatch the phone cable used for the 2nd line from
the outside network box since we don't use a 2nd line anymore. One of
our phones has also been acting up so I plan on unplugging that phone
from the wall jack and see if the problem clears up.

If none of that works then I think I should remove the 5 phone cables
that attach to the 'mini network box' in the basement and reattach &
test them one by one.
I think that sound slike a reasonable plan? Anything else that I
should look for?

QUES: The 5 phone cables attached to the basement box are all over
each other (i.e all the red wires are crammed into one screw, all the
green wires are crammed into another screw, none of any yellow/black
wires are attached to screws) If the wires (of any one color) are
touching each other can that cause problems?

Is there anything to replace the 'mini network box' in the
basement that would let me attach each phone wires to a seperate pair
of screws for each cable? If so can that be used elsewhere in the
house so if I want to go into the attic and add phone jacksto two rooms
then I'd only have to run 1 wire down to the basement (i.e kinda like
electrical wires tied into a box)?

thanks


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Posted by TKM on July 19, 2006, 10:44 am

>I suddenly have heavy noise/static on every phone in the house. Any
> calls to the house result in busy signals. We can't make outside
> calls. I also have DSL which is still working.
>
> When I plugged a phone into the jack on the network box on the outside,
> it worked so it's not the phone company. There is a black cable that
> runs from the network box into my basement. There is also a phone line
> that runs from the box into my basement.
>
> The phone line cable was used years ago for a 2nd line. That service
> was turned off years ago. The black cable runs to a black plate of
> sorts that has 4 screws. The red/green wires are attached to it and a
> line runs from it to something that looks like a mini network box.
>
> All the phonelines in my house attach to this 'mini network box'. It
> has a phone plug plus 4 screws. I attached a phone to this plug and
> it also works from there.
>
> My 1st idea is to detatch the phone cable used for the 2nd line from
> the outside network box since we don't use a 2nd line anymore. One of
> our phones has also been acting up so I plan on unplugging that phone
> from the wall jack and see if the problem clears up.
>
> If none of that works then I think I should remove the 5 phone cables
> that attach to the 'mini network box' in the basement and reattach &
> test them one by one.
> I think that sound slike a reasonable plan? Anything else that I
> should look for?
>
> QUES: The 5 phone cables attached to the basement box are all over
> each other (i.e all the red wires are crammed into one screw, all the
> green wires are crammed into another screw, none of any yellow/black
> wires are attached to screws) If the wires (of any one color) are
> touching each other can that cause problems?
>
> Is there anything to replace the 'mini network box' in the
> basement that would let me attach each phone wires to a seperate pair
> of screws for each cable? If so can that be used elsewhere in the
> house so if I want to go into the attic and add phone jacksto two rooms
> then I'd only have to run 1 wire down to the basement (i.e kinda like
> electrical wires tied into a box)?
>
> thanks

Sounds like you have corrosion, moisture or loose connection problems.
Sure, get rid of the make-shift network box and get a terminal block or
"structured media" box that is set up for multiple lines. Radio Shack has
the terminal blocks for a few dollars. Cut and re-strip the wires if you
use screw connectors so you'll have clean metal. I still solder the wires
on telephone lines if I have to make a splice.

TKM



Posted by Scott Townsend on July 19, 2006, 11:03 am
Your plan to test by disconnecting each and adding one back at a time is
good.

Typically Line 1 is the Red/Green Pair and Line 2 is the Yellow/Black Pair

Or the new colors of White/Blue and White/Orange

Our Local Home Depot (Lowes, etc) Sells a Patch Kit that allows you to
Terminate the Incoming Line, and then up to like 9 or so feeds from it. They
are all attached internally to once you punch them down, they are all
connected to each other.
http://www.levitonvoicedata.com/techresources/documents/specdesign/pdf/47603110.pdf

In many apartments and older homes they just ran one 2/4 pair cable around
the house and then just left a bit excess in each jack location. As long as
you connect up both ends to the jack screws, you can just continue with the
wire going out of the jack to the next location.

Scott<-

>I suddenly have heavy noise/static on every phone in the house. Any
> calls to the house result in busy signals. We can't make outside
> calls. I also have DSL which is still working.
>
> When I plugged a phone into the jack on the network box on the outside,
> it worked so it's not the phone company. There is a black cable that
> runs from the network box into my basement. There is also a phone line
> that runs from the box into my basement.
>
> The phone line cable was used years ago for a 2nd line. That service
> was turned off years ago. The black cable runs to a black plate of
> sorts that has 4 screws. The red/green wires are attached to it and a
> line runs from it to something that looks like a mini network box.
>
> All the phonelines in my house attach to this 'mini network box'. It
> has a phone plug plus 4 screws. I attached a phone to this plug and
> it also works from there.
>
> My 1st idea is to detatch the phone cable used for the 2nd line from
> the outside network box since we don't use a 2nd line anymore. One of
> our phones has also been acting up so I plan on unplugging that phone
> from the wall jack and see if the problem clears up.
>
> If none of that works then I think I should remove the 5 phone cables
> that attach to the 'mini network box' in the basement and reattach &
> test them one by one.
> I think that sound slike a reasonable plan? Anything else that I
> should look for?
>
> QUES: The 5 phone cables attached to the basement box are all over
> each other (i.e all the red wires are crammed into one screw, all the
> green wires are crammed into another screw, none of any yellow/black
> wires are attached to screws) If the wires (of any one color) are
> touching each other can that cause problems?
>
> Is there anything to replace the 'mini network box' in the
> basement that would let me attach each phone wires to a seperate pair
> of screws for each cable? If so can that be used elsewhere in the
> house so if I want to go into the attic and add phone jacksto two rooms
> then I'd only have to run 1 wire down to the basement (i.e kinda like
> electrical wires tied into a box)?
>
> thanks
>



Posted by saag on July 19, 2006, 11:18 am
The descripition of that says it allows up to 9 'seperate' telephone
lines.
Forgive my ignornace, but I only have 1 telephone line (i.e 1 telephone
number)
with phone jacks run throughout the house. 5 seperate phone cables
are in my
basement to 'split' the phone service throughtout the house.

Would that device accept the incoming phone cable from the outside and
let my
5 phone cables attach to it? Where does the phone cable coming in from
the outside
attach to (is there a reserved slot for it? - the picture was a little
fuzzy)

thanks.

Scott Townsend wrote:
> Your plan to test by disconnecting each and adding one back at a time is
> good.
>
> Typically Line 1 is the Red/Green Pair and Line 2 is the Yellow/Black Pair
>
> Or the new colors of White/Blue and White/Orange
>
> Our Local Home Depot (Lowes, etc) Sells a Patch Kit that allows you to
> Terminate the Incoming Line, and then up to like 9 or so feeds from it. They
> are all attached internally to once you punch them down, they are all
> connected to each other.
>
http://www.levitonvoicedata.com/techresources/documents/specdesign/pdf/47603110.pdf
>
> In many apartments and older homes they just ran one 2/4 pair cable around
> the house and then just left a bit excess in each jack location. As long as
> you connect up both ends to the jack screws, you can just continue with the
> wire going out of the jack to the next location.
>
> Scott<-
>
> >I suddenly have heavy noise/static on every phone in the house. Any
> > calls to the house result in busy signals. We can't make outside
> > calls. I also have DSL which is still working.
> >
> > When I plugged a phone into the jack on the network box on the outside,
> > it worked so it's not the phone company. There is a black cable that
> > runs from the network box into my basement. There is also a phone line
> > that runs from the box into my basement.
> >
> > The phone line cable was used years ago for a 2nd line. That service
> > was turned off years ago. The black cable runs to a black plate of
> > sorts that has 4 screws. The red/green wires are attached to it and a
> > line runs from it to something that looks like a mini network box.
> >
> > All the phonelines in my house attach to this 'mini network box'. It
> > has a phone plug plus 4 screws. I attached a phone to this plug and
> > it also works from there.
> >
> > My 1st idea is to detatch the phone cable used for the 2nd line from
> > the outside network box since we don't use a 2nd line anymore. One of
> > our phones has also been acting up so I plan on unplugging that phone
> > from the wall jack and see if the problem clears up.
> >
> > If none of that works then I think I should remove the 5 phone cables
> > that attach to the 'mini network box' in the basement and reattach &
> > test them one by one.
> > I think that sound slike a reasonable plan? Anything else that I
> > should look for?
> >
> > QUES: The 5 phone cables attached to the basement box are all over
> > each other (i.e all the red wires are crammed into one screw, all the
> > green wires are crammed into another screw, none of any yellow/black
> > wires are attached to screws) If the wires (of any one color) are
> > touching each other can that cause problems?
> >
> > Is there anything to replace the 'mini network box' in the
> > basement that would let me attach each phone wires to a seperate pair
> > of screws for each cable? If so can that be used elsewhere in the
> > house so if I want to go into the attic and add phone jacksto two rooms
> > then I'd only have to run 1 wire down to the basement (i.e kinda like
> > electrical wires tied into a box)?
> >
> > thanks
> >


Posted by Scott Townsend on July 19, 2006, 12:01 pm
All of the connections are tied together, typically you use the first for
the Feed from MaBell.

Each little connector has the ability to connect up to 4 Pairs. (blue,
orange, green, brown) Each Pair would be a separate line.

Though I've seen them connect the Blue to the Green and the Orange to the
Brown to get 9 more connection points for the blue and orange.

So if you only need the 9, then you connect up your incoming Red/Green pair
to the Blue Pair Part of the Connector, then you connect up all of your
other lines to the other Blue pairs.

also note that this Terminal Block is for 22gauge wire. (Cat 5 Type) Most of
the red/green/yellow/black cables are 22 gauge, Some of the Older White/Red
pair wires are bigger and wont work with the block.

Scott<-


> The descripition of that says it allows up to 9 'seperate' telephone
> lines.
> Forgive my ignornace, but I only have 1 telephone line (i.e 1 telephone
> number)
> with phone jacks run throughout the house. 5 seperate phone cables
> are in my
> basement to 'split' the phone service throughtout the house.
>
> Would that device accept the incoming phone cable from the outside and
> let my
> 5 phone cables attach to it? Where does the phone cable coming in from
> the outside
> attach to (is there a reserved slot for it? - the picture was a little
> fuzzy)
>
> thanks.
>
> Scott Townsend wrote:
>> Your plan to test by disconnecting each and adding one back at a time is
>> good.
>>
>> Typically Line 1 is the Red/Green Pair and Line 2 is the Yellow/Black
>> Pair
>>
>> Or the new colors of White/Blue and White/Orange
>>
>> Our Local Home Depot (Lowes, etc) Sells a Patch Kit that allows you to
>> Terminate the Incoming Line, and then up to like 9 or so feeds from it.
>> They
>> are all attached internally to once you punch them down, they are all
>> connected to each other.
>>
http://www.levitonvoicedata.com/techresources/documents/specdesign/pdf/47603110.pdf
>>
>> In many apartments and older homes they just ran one 2/4 pair cable
>> around
>> the house and then just left a bit excess in each jack location. As long
>> as
>> you connect up both ends to the jack screws, you can just continue with
>> the
>> wire going out of the jack to the next location.
>>
>> Scott<-
>>
>> >I suddenly have heavy noise/static on every phone in the house. Any
>> > calls to the house result in busy signals. We can't make outside
>> > calls. I also have DSL which is still working.
>> >
>> > When I plugged a phone into the jack on the network box on the outside,
>> > it worked so it's not the phone company. There is a black cable that
>> > runs from the network box into my basement. There is also a phone line
>> > that runs from the box into my basement.
>> >
>> > The phone line cable was used years ago for a 2nd line. That service
>> > was turned off years ago. The black cable runs to a black plate of
>> > sorts that has 4 screws. The red/green wires are attached to it and a
>> > line runs from it to something that looks like a mini network box.
>> >
>> > All the phonelines in my house attach to this 'mini network box'. It
>> > has a phone plug plus 4 screws. I attached a phone to this plug and
>> > it also works from there.
>> >
>> > My 1st idea is to detatch the phone cable used for the 2nd line from
>> > the outside network box since we don't use a 2nd line anymore. One of
>> > our phones has also been acting up so I plan on unplugging that phone
>> > from the wall jack and see if the problem clears up.
>> >
>> > If none of that works then I think I should remove the 5 phone cables
>> > that attach to the 'mini network box' in the basement and reattach &
>> > test them one by one.
>> > I think that sound slike a reasonable plan? Anything else that I
>> > should look for?
>> >
>> > QUES: The 5 phone cables attached to the basement box are all over
>> > each other (i.e all the red wires are crammed into one screw, all the
>> > green wires are crammed into another screw, none of any yellow/black
>> > wires are attached to screws) If the wires (of any one color) are
>> > touching each other can that cause problems?
>> >
>> > Is there anything to replace the 'mini network box' in the
>> > basement that would let me attach each phone wires to a seperate pair
>> > of screws for each cable? If so can that be used elsewhere in the
>> > house so if I want to go into the attic and add phone jacksto two rooms
>> > then I'd only have to run 1 wire down to the basement (i.e kinda like
>> > electrical wires tied into a box)?
>> >
>> > thanks
>> >
>



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