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Posted by dpb on April 20, 2008, 10:19 pm
01dyna wrote:
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>> 01dyna wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:06:52 -0700, aspasia you wrote:
>> ...
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>>> Many years ago, Craftsman was limited to specific tools.
>> What do you define as "many"?
>
> 20 years or more...I have Craftsman tools handed down to me that
> are *at least* that old and they are FAR better quality than the ones
> sold today.
I've stuff that's at least 3X that...
>>> ...Later, Sears
>>> branched out to more mass produced items and well as one-off items
>>> that are manufactured off-shore. When that happened, their quality
>>> suffered, however their warranty still stands.
>> Hand tools ime are essentially the same quality they've always been and
>> the warranty is still applicable to Craftsman-labeled only, not
>> "Companion" or other lines.
>
> ..hogwash. You make this up as you go along. Do you know *anything*
> about hand tools?
Probably far more than you, I'm getting to feel... :(
Although on reflection, it's probably been nearly 20 years since I
bought any additional hand tools to speak of since I had my own which I
brought when came back to the farm where there was already an 80-year
accumulation of essentially everything needed.
I've swapped out one pair of electrician's pliers the son chipped a jaw
in by using them to try to cut #10 fencing wire instead of Cu and as
near as I can tell, their identical other than the handle cushion
material is slightly different to the pair that were probably on the
order of 20 years old, themselves.
OTTT, I think the only additional hand tools I've bought since I
returned was a full metric socket set for 1/2 and 3/4 drive as that was
the one place I was short and until recently most farm equipment was
still SAE so that was the place Dad was short, too.
On sale, their kits including another socket and breakover were cheaper
than anything else that I saw in town. Of course, we don't have a True
Value so couldn't go there...
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Posted by dpb on April 20, 2008, 6:14 pm
01dyna wrote:
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>> For the home mechanic it's hard to beat the Craftsman sets when on
>> sale--just watch for sale fliers.
>
> Master Mechanic comes with the same life time warranty from True Value
> HW stores.
There are a number who offer lifetime warranties -- I have no direct
experience on how easy/difficult it is to collect on them from anybody
other than Sears. Sears, however, is still a trivial process I know.
Others may have experience on the working end of the warranties for some
of the others...
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Posted by 01dyna on April 20, 2008, 6:30 pm
>01dyna wrote:
>...
>>> For the home mechanic it's hard to beat the Craftsman sets when on
>>> sale--just watch for sale fliers.
>>
>> Master Mechanic comes with the same life time warranty from True Value
>> HW stores.
>
>There are a number who offer lifetime warranties -- I have no direct
>experience on how easy/difficult it is to collect on them from anybody
>other than Sears. Sears, however, is still a trivial process I know.
>
>Others may have experience on the working end of the warranties for some
>of the others...
Master Mechanic is like Craftsman, in that you can go to any True
Value hardware store and swap them out on the spot. I believe you can
also send them to to Ace/True Value and they'll send you a
replacement.
Craftsman/K-Mart are now one and the same FWIW.
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Posted by dpb on April 20, 2008, 6:51 pm
01dyna wrote:
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>> 01dyna wrote:
>> ...
>>>> For the home mechanic it's hard to beat the Craftsman sets when on
>>>> sale--just watch for sale fliers.
>>> Master Mechanic comes with the same life time warranty from True Value
>>> HW stores.
>> There are a number who offer lifetime warranties -- I have no direct
>> experience on how easy/difficult it is to collect on them from anybody
>> other than Sears. Sears, however, is still a trivial process I know.
>>
>> Others may have experience on the working end of the warranties for some
>> of the others...
>
>
> Master Mechanic is like Craftsman, in that you can go to any True
> Value hardware store and swap them out on the spot. I believe you can
> also send them to to Ace/True Value and they'll send you a
> replacement.
How picky are they in accepting them? Require receipts, throw out cases
of what would obviously have been abuse, etc., etc., etc., ...?
Sears has a track record, not so sure how the others' stands up in
comparison is all...
> Craftsman/K-Mart are now one and the same FWIW.
Not a thing in this context...
The point is, for a hand tool that would meet the objective of OP,
there's no doubt Craftsman will do the job at a reasonable price point.
There may be others w/ the combination of variety, warranty and value
that meet or come close; if so, recommend them. There's no reason to
try to denigrate Sears/Craftsman in the process--in this case its
unwarranted.
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Posted by 01dyna on April 20, 2008, 9:07 pm
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>How picky are they in accepting them? Require receipts, throw out cases
>of what would obviously have been abuse, etc., etc., etc., ...?
..in another life, I worked part time at a local True Value. Their
policy is, if it's broke, replace it. No receipt is required.
>
>Sears has a track record, not so sure how the others' stands up in
>comparison is all...
...what track record is that? That they will replace a defective
and/or broken item? They're not unique in that market, just the best
marketing.
>
>> Craftsman/K-Mart are now one and the same FWIW.
>
>Not a thing in this context...
>
>The point is, for a hand tool that would meet the objective of OP,
>there's no doubt Craftsman will do the job at a reasonable price point.
..I wouldn't necessarily jump to that conclusion. Just because
Craftsman has a "no questions asked warranty", that doesn't mean
they're better, or even good. Personally, I'd rather buy *really*
good tools over one with a great warranty.
Working on something that *must* be fixed *right now*, doesn't give me
the warm fuzzies when a critical tool snaps on me and I have to drive
across town for a (free) replacement. I've had three Craftsman box
wrenches and two socket wrenches crap out on me. Murhphys Law, it was
a Sunday evening and the local Sears store was closed. Fat lot of good
a replacement warranty did for me then.
>
>There may be others w/ the combination of variety, warranty and value
>that meet or come close; if so, recommend them. There's no reason to
>try to denigrate Sears/Craftsman in the process--in this case its
>unwarranted.
I already did mention one. You tried to discredit it by inferring that
their warranty isn't a good or as flexible. Hey, if you're partial to
Craftsman, knock yourself out. I personally don' t have anything
against Craftsman, but they're not the only tool in town. It's
apparent you have a soft spot for them to defend them so blindly.
Me, I like to keep an open mind.
Incidentally, if Craftsman were *that* good, you'd see more of them in
professional mechanics toolsets but you don't. They have to use those
tools *every day* and time down running across town to replace a tool
is money lost. Snap On tools are some of the *best*. MUCH more
expensive yes, but some day, I'd like replace everything (except my
Proto socket set), with Snap Ons.
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